Re: Free Will?
Originally posted by Storm
Free will, the doctrine that an individual, regardless of forces external to him, can and does choose his actions.
The existence of free will is challenged by determinism. Every event is the inevitable result of antecedent causes. We, as humans, are determined through our society, religion, ...What does it mean to make a choice?
Free will is a misnomer. Agency is a better term.
American Heritage Dictionary
Agency (only the first two definitions are quoted, definitions 3 and 4 are in reference to organizations)1 The condition of being in action; operation.
2 The means or mode of acting; instrumentality.
Free will implies the ability to act without external influence. Such a state is impossible. There is a modicum of choice, but it is only between the available options, there are choices, but not complete freedom, in reality.
To make a choice is the act of doing one thing and not another when both are possible. Possibilities are limited by the external influences and our history of experience with possible actions.
If we truly had free will then we could kill someone without worrying.
That is bad. There has to be rules or else we would be exstinct. But how come we dont have free will to break rules but when a country goes to war people in charge have the will to do anything. People with power only truly have free will. Power = Free Will
I think the ability to define free will for ourselves, independent of what anyone else thinks it is, and contingent upon only what we know to be true, is evidence of free will.
Also, to fox: There is a distinction, a large one in fact, between free will and morality, in particular the remorse most humans would feel upon murdering a fellow. It is true that in some cases, people murder without remorse, and in these cases, sadly enough, I believe we see free will at it's strongest. Independent of laws that wield severe consequences, we have people killing other people, simply because they want to.
You might make the argument that these people are insane, and thus have no free will ecause they themselves are taken over my a disease. To that I would say this: it's more comfortable to label our fears as monsters, but it hides us behind lies.
is there such a thing as free will?? brilliant question, the answer is the same as the answer to this -
Is a slave a slave, IF he doesn't know he's enslaved?
no i'm not saying where slaves, its just we're weren't born out of chioce, thus nothing is truely of our will, but all we can do is make the best for ourselves, no, no one will ever truely have free will ever, but whats within our power we can be free in our own right..... just my two cents
Clock strikes twelve and moondrops burst
Out at you from their hiding place
Like acid and oil on a madmans face
His reason tends to fly away
Like lesser birds on the four winds
Like silver scrapes in may
And now the sands become a crust
Most of you have gone away
Come susie dear, lets take a walk
Just out there upon the beach
I know youll soon be married
And youll want to know where winds come from
Well its never said at all
On the map that carrie reads
Behind the clock back there you know
At the four winds bar
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Four winds at the four winds bar
Two doors locked and windows barred
One door to let to take you in
The other one just mirrors it
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Hellish glare and inference
The other ones a duplicate
The queenly flux, eternal light
Or the light that never warms
Yes the light that never, never warms
Or the light that never
Never warms
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The clock strikes twelve and moondrops burst
Out at you from their hiding place
Miss carrie nurse and susie dear
Would find themselves at four winds bar
Its the nexus of the crisis
And the origin of storms
Just the place to hopelessly
Encounter time and then came me
Hey! hey! hey! hey!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA great song .............and listen to what is kinda said................religion is based on astonomy.............
Yup, there is free will. Its impossible to predict everything, you would have to know everything with infinite precision(what is impossible according to physics btw), for this reason to reject free will is a completely metaphysical and non-empiric approach made by people who thinks they are being empiric and concrete.
Originally posted by AOR
No it doesn't.
it sorta does, if the religion was never introduced to you, would you behave differently?
Free will is there, itsd just most people are too scared to take it, instead they choose to believe that they are being controlled because if that were true... well, why don't you figure it out?
Originally posted by Kaled
it sorta does, if the religion was never introduced to you, would you behave differently?Free will is there, itsd just most people are too scared to take it, instead they choose to believe that they are being controlled because if that were true... well, why don't you figure it out?
Of course. All religion does is bring you to terms with your actions (i.e. allow you to recognize that each action has a consequence and your are responsible for those said consequences). It's like looking at the world (i.e. no religion) and then the world with glasses (i.e. with religion). Either way (good or bad) your view is changed and you see the world differently.