Religion doesn't take away free will. As AOR said religion changes the way we view the world. It gives consequences to our actions that (in most religions) transcend this world. It's not because an action gets consequences that you can't decide to take that action. Religion might 'forbid' you from taking a certain action. But it can't physically stop you from doing so.
Originally posted by Fire
Religion doesn't take away free will. As AOR said religion changes the way we view the world. It gives consequences to our actions that (in most religions) transcend this world. It's not because an action gets consequences that you can't decide to take that action. Religion might 'forbid' you from taking a certain action. But it can't physically stop you from doing so.
Well this is the icky bit.
While it's true that religion cannot physically prevent you from doing any one thing, it can make you disagree with the proposition of doing it, while another person would do it.
Plus take into consideration wars that have happened over religion. Truly they did it because they wanted it. But religion was the direct cause of the desire of those actions.
What one could argue, is that a person would do something that normally they would not, because they believe in the religion, using praying as a minor form of an example. Which when one comes to question is not something he is not truly doing of his own will IF the religion had never been introduced into his life.
But then if you argued over all the IFs and BUTs in the world the possibilities multiply into an infinite amount of possibilities.
It is my opinion on the matter religion does affect our free will, thus anyone who believe is not as i see it, truly themselves.
Originally posted by Kaled
What one could argue, is that a person would do something that normally they would not, because they believe in the religion, using praying as a minor form of an example. Which when one comes to question is not something he is not truly doing of his own will IF the religion had never been introduced into his life.It is my opinion on the matter religion does affect our free will, thus anyone who believe is not as i see it, truly themselves.
To me that seems to imply that every way of life, every culture and so on affects free will. I don't agree to do that. I can see your point of view. But in my opinion you still have free will as long as you aren't forced to do or not do something.
Originally posted by Fire
To me that seems to imply that every way of life, every culture and so on affects free will. I don't agree to do that. I can see your point of view. But in my opinion you still have free will as long as you aren't forced to do or not do something.
Yeah i get you, Free will is had by all who are not easily intimidated by <whatever>.
Utter free will, like the kind i was orginally talking about, is had by few, very few. I mean think of all the little things you do each day and why you do them. Questionably would any of us really live our lives in such a very if we had been brought up <where ever> certainly not.
So in my opnion this discussion really only extends as to how minor or major a thing people want to focus on.
Originally posted by LordFearNow I understand how my Sims characters feel.
free will is an illusion. Even when he consciously make decisions, a higher force is presiding over it all. In the end, we are all pons of some cosmic, divine joke. Actors in the gread divine theater which is life.Life is the cruelest joke of it all!!!!!Yet we are fearful of death
I'd like to think that free will does exist.
The remote controls out of your reach while you're sitting on your sofa, and you don't like the tv show currently running, do you
A: Get up and grab the remote and change the channel
or
B: Stay seated on your sofa and live through the program.
Life is full of choices.
Originally posted by Member.
I'd like to think that free will does exist.The remote controls out of your reach while you're sitting on your sofa, and you don't like the tv show currently running, do you
A: Get up and grab the remote and change the channel
or
B: Stay seated on your sofa and live through the program.
Life is full of choices.
and ultimately we are not in control of whether we sit on the sofa or change the channel
Originally posted by Storm
I wouldn' t want absolute free choice, as it would lead to infinite possibilities, and infinite complications as well as no inherent destination in life.
I suspect you are the sort of person that secretly desires strong leaderhsip from this post. In fact your desire for strong leadership may not be so secret to some😉
Originally posted by Storm
I wouldn' t want absolute free choice, as it would lead to infinite possibilities, and infinite complications as well as no inherent destination in life.
Well in a sense we all have absolute free choice, problem being is with every choice we make their are various factors and outcomes beyond our ability to control.
Originally posted by Thundar
Well in a sense we all have absolute free choice, problem being is with every choice we make their are various factors and outcomes beyond our ability to control.
Then it's not absolute free choice... 😬
Our choices are not absolutely free. They are conditional. Free Will is an illusion. We must pay for every choice we make, and every choice we make is influenced by our necessities and desires.
IF choices were alone dictated by desire, they would STILL not be absolutely free....closer to free, but no quite. For even our desires are shaped by environment, culture, influence, and possibly genetics.
Our choices are dictated by both desire AND necessity. These are conditions....Necessity drives people do eat, drink, steal, fight, sleep, etc. We do not freely choose these things.
A choice can only be absolutely free if there are no conditions or debts to consider before or after. But since there ARE conditions and consquences for and with every choice, choice is not absolutely free.
Free choice is the idea that you choose to get a drink of water because you feel like it, it is not destined that you feel like it and it is not destined that you get it, but we feel like getting something and never do when we are fully capable of getting it does that mean it is our choice not to fulfill our wants?
I believe that everything happens for a reason, this reason is there already so this thing has to happen, i feel hungry so i eat, or i go hungry, those are the two possible things to happen what does happen cannot be gone back upon so it must have happened and stayed that way, death for instance everyone dies its not our choice because if we had it our way we wouldnt die, its not our choice that we get cancer, its not our choice to survive it, it obviously comes because of something else, this is the continuation of time, life is not chosen it is cause and effect, you do something small as a baby or as a teenager and it can effect your entire life, habits for instance are constantly there, it takes great strength to over come them, or another effect to bring about the cause
Re: Free Will?
Originally posted by Storm
Free will, the doctrine that an individual, regardless of forces external to him, can and does choose his actions.
The existence of free will is challenged by determinism. Every event is the inevitable result of antecedent causes. We, as humans, are determined through our society, religion, ...What does it mean to make a choice?
More then often it means to make a mistake, uncontrolled free will is very dangerous. Much like many aspects of life, it's best in controlled doses, because in almost every case, free will is corrupted by human greed and selfishness. Only under a controlled enviroment are we forced to consider others along with or even over our own petty desires.