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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To the first question; I wouldn't necessarily say there is such a thing. There's a lifestyle that a lot of hip hop fans adhere to, but that lifestyle isn't necessarily called hip hop. Hip hop is a musical genre.

To the second question; No, you don't. Yet there are people out there who believe so, their opinion is negligible and they are stupid. The kind of people who believe that a person's understanding of hip hop music is limited if they don't live where it comes from. Eg: "White dudes dressing up as niggas."

I wasn't aware "niggas", as he so accurately put it, had a specific dress code. I thought "nigga" was a derogatory, racist term that applies to anyone with a dark skin tone and of a certain descent. I didn't think you couldn't be a "nigga" if you wore a suit.

So you see, people speaking like P are doing more to restrict what hip hop really stands for, than they are of helping it.

-AC

first off, stop putting my words into your posts. that means STOP quoting me.

son you aint hiphop... you will never be hiphop... no matter how hard you try. so i dont really expect you to get this...

hiphop came from the streets. lets not forget that. it didnt came from no dude in a basement saying i wanna rhyme over percussion and bass. hiphop didnt have words in its earliest form, hiphop is about the music and the people. when herc unleashed his instruments on the streets of new york back in the 70's... that's hiphop. when writers were bombing the subway tunnels and trains back in the 80's... that's hiphop. when krs-1, shan, dmc, kool moe dee were battling... that's hiphop. whenever i see b-boys and b-girls breakdancing in central park with or without music... that's hiphop.

son to listen to hiphop doesnt mean youre hiphop... it means youre a fan of hiphop. lmao... i cant believe im discussing this shit with you

hiphop is not JUST a musical genre... its a CULTURE.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
first off, stop putting my words into your posts. that means STOP quoting me.

That's two requests. One: Ok. I'll stop putting the words in if you'll agree to stop spewing them out in a manner that is devoid of any intelligence whatsoever, deal? Two: No.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
son you aint hiphop... you will never be hiphop... no matter how hard you try. so i dont really expect you to get this...

No, it's not about being hip hop. The very fact that you believe such a notion exists proves what 99% of all your posts prove- you are a complete idiot.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
hiphop came from the streets. lets not forget that. it didnt came from no dude in a basement saying i wanna rhyme over percussion and bass. hiphop didnt have words in its earliest form, hiphop is about the music and the people. when herc unleashed his instruments on the streets of new york back in the 70's... that's hiphop. when writers were bombing the subway tunnels and trains back in the 80's... that's hiphop. when krs-1, shan, dmc, kool moe dee were battling... that's hiphop. whenever i see b-boys and b-girls breakdancing in central park with or without music... that's hiphop.

Notice how at each stage it was changing and evolving, like music does. It was EVOLVING healthily. What YOU have done, is conveniently tried to stop the evolutionary hip hop timeline where you believe it should end. Ignoring the fact that hip hop continued to evolve and will always continue to change and adapt to people putting their touch to it. Be they white, black, latino, asian or whatever.

You are right, hip hop IS about the music, so why do you believe in your demented, sad and unappreciative little mind that the tone of one's skin matters? If of course the music is what it's about.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
son to listen to hiphop doesnt mean youre hiphop... it means youre a fan of hiphop. lmao... i cant believe im discussing this shit with you

hiphop is not JUST a musical genre... its a CULTURE.

Yeah, it's a culture to who though? Who? I'll tell you to who. To people who don't like it evolving beyond a point that they can claim it as their own. There are different kinds of music for different types of people to get into, whatever your taste is. Music as a concept however, is for EVERYONE. It's only a bonifide, restricted and label-driven culture to the likes of people like you, who view it as their own.

You live in New York, so do you believe this makes you hip hop? What about you makes you more "hip hop" than me? If you didn't have any hand in bringing hip hop to where it is today, then you can shut the hell up and go back to whatever rock you crawled out from, because that would mean that you are as hip hop as anybody anywhere, of any race, that enjoys it.

You are just bitten because a white guy from England has the appreciation of hip hop that it was meant to have as a pure musical genre. I don't view it as a product that belongs to anyone, you do, so to claim you appreciate it is bullshit. If KRS One, LL, Wu-Tang, Kurtis Blow, E.P.M.D or Public Enemy were all here now, I'm pretty sure they'd agree with me rather than you.

KRS One once said "I got next." Jay-Z once said "I got now, I don't care who got next." Hip hop is alive and well in the underground, and the only way it can be pushed forward is by people allowing it to change and evolve. You, contrary to your belief, aren't helping. Don't preach a love of hip hop and then try to stifle it's growth when it touches a race you dislike, a country or town you dislike.

If you're going to be like that, at least stand up and admit that you're a closet, closed-minded racist idiot. Don't speak out of both faces, use one and stick to it.

-AC

Originally posted by koolruningz
Nice article Mugen.
I was always taught by my dad that it was an offensive word and he heard it used that way plenty as did i growing up. I grew up in a racist part of London where skinheads would use it all the time when referring to me or anyone else of colour, thats what it has always meant to me and thats why i dont use it myself.
Im not naive enough to think thats what brothers using it nowadays mean when they say it but just as its my choice not to use it, its their choice to use it. I just think somewhere members of the KKK are sitting there laughing at brothers on the TV calling themselves the word that was used to oppress them for so many years.

Amen to that koolrunningz.

I don't buy into this bullshit of ''we can say it but you can't'' because its just that. Bullshit.
If black people see it ok to use the word, than all others whill do so as well.

We shouldn't refer to each other by the colour of our skin. Ever. Period.

Originally posted by Mugen
amen to that ✅, im black and i don't approve of the word nigga, in any cirucmstance, only time i might say it, is in lyrics to a song. i dont let my black frineds call me that, and if they do im quick to correct them. the use of the word is ridiculous and has gotten out of hand, to the point where there are 2 forms of the word with different meanings.when did acting and talking "ghetto" or "Black" become some sort of social status or fad. some people at my school criticize this black kid at my school because of how he talks, the clothes he wears, and who he hangs with. saying hes sooo "white" or certain white people are blacker then him.how can they be blacker than him when he is black? since when is being black defined by certain clothing style, musical prefrence, and oral language and dialogue?

P please read this, im hoping it will give you a new perspective on the use of the word Nigga.
http://www.daveyd.com/nigaornigpol.html

as far as hip-hop being a lifestyle, its what you make it. graffiti, DJ, MCing, B-boying(breakdancing). i guess if you does those, some people might say your lifestyle is more hip-hop influenced, which it is, seeing as how that is your career choice, but IMO thats what I see as a hip-hop lifestyle, somebody thats actually doing the form, as a opposed, somebody watching or listening to it.

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This is another thing I don't understand. How can someone ''act'' certain colour. That assumes that all white or all black people act the same, which is SO not the case.

One of the people I knew said that a friend of mine (Jamaican in origin) is not ''black'' because he doesn't wear baggy clothes, bling, he goes out with white girls, and hang out with asians, white people, black people all kinds of people, and doesn't form sentances which are gramatically inccorect, and thus the quote went ''dat dude aint black!''

What a retarded thing to say about someone!

Skin pigmentation does not determan the character, personality, likes/dislikes, clothes one will like to wear, music one will like to listen, people one will be attracted to...etc.

And anyone who thinks that skin colour pre-dermans ANYTHING is ignorant and closed minded.

I think you mean "determines."

Either way, this was all said. Being racially motivated for a negative reason in music is pathetic.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's two requests. One: Ok. I'll stop putting the words in if you'll agree to stop spewing them out in a manner that is devoid of any intelligence whatsoever, deal? Two: No.

No, it's not about being hip hop. The very fact that you believe such a notion exists proves what 99% of all your posts prove- you are a complete idiot.

Notice how at each stage it was changing and evolving, like music does. It was EVOLVING healthily. What YOU have done, is conveniently tried to stop the evolutionary hip hop timeline where you believe it should end. Ignoring the fact that hip hop continued to evolve and will always continue to change and adapt to people putting their touch to it. Be they white, black, latino, asian or whatever.

You are right, hip hop IS about the music, so why do you believe in your demented, sad and unappreciative little mind that the tone of one's skin matters? If of course the music is what it's about.

Yeah, it's a culture to who though? Who? I'll tell you to who. To people who don't like it evolving beyond a point that they can claim it as their own. There are different kinds of music for different types of people to get into, whatever your taste is. Music as a concept however, is for EVERYONE. It's only a bonifide, restricted and label-driven culture to the likes of people like you, who view it as their own.

You live in New York, so do you believe this makes you hip hop? What about you makes you more "hip hop" than me? If you didn't have any hand in bringing hip hop to where it is today, then you can shut the hell up and go back to whatever rock you crawled out from, because that would mean that you are as hip hop as anybody anywhere, of any race, that enjoys it.

You are just bitten because a white guy from England has the appreciation of hip hop that it was meant to have as a pure musical genre. I don't view it as a product that belongs to anyone, you do, so to claim you appreciate it is bullshit. If KRS One, LL, Wu-Tang, Kurtis Blow, E.P.M.D or Public Enemy were all here now, I'm pretty sure they'd agree with me rather than you.

KRS One once said "I got next." Jay-Z once said "I got now, I don't care who got next." Hip hop is alive and well in the underground, and the only way it can be pushed forward is by people allowing it to change and evolve. You, contrary to your belief, aren't helping. Don't preach a love of hip hop and then try to stifle it's growth when it touches a race you dislike, a country or town you dislike.

If you're going to be like that, at least stand up and admit that you're a closet, closed-minded racist idiot. Don't speak out of both faces, use one and stick to it.

-AC

SMMFH....

damn son...

i said i didnt expect you to get this.... but man this is too f'n much.... you totally missed the point, Stevie.

wtf did i say it was about race???did i say anything about race??? did i??? AIYYO KOOLZ can you check if i said anything about a man's color on my last post??? daaaaammmn....

all i was trying to say is....

are you ready? no really... are you ready??? i need your full attention this time cuz i aint sayin it again...

*drum roll*

HIPHOP IS A CULTURE! ITS MORE THAN MUSIC.

that's it. i wasnt saying anything about skin or race. you were the one thinking its about race... lmao... hit a nerve?

but on the real... its not like im writing in hieroglyphics here... ITS IN ENGLISH SON.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
[b]SMMFH....

damn son...

i said i didnt expect you to get this.... but man this is too f'n much.... you totally missed the point, Stevie.

wtf did i say it was about race???did i say anything about race??? did i??? AIYYO KOOLZ can you check if i said anything about a man's color on my last post??? daaaaammmn....

all i was trying to say is....

are you ready? no really... are you ready??? i need your full attention this time cuz i aint sayin it again...

*drum roll*

HIPHOP IS A CULTURE! ITS MORE THAN MUSIC.

that's it. i wasnt saying anything about skin or race. you were the one thinking its about race... lmao... hit a nerve?

but on the real... its not like im writing in hieroglyphics here... ITS IN ENGLISH SON. [/B]

White dudes dressing up like niggas

^ would you like to tell me how a "Nigga" dresses, so i can make sure i don't dress like him, i want no affiliation with the word at all.

ohh and when a non-black calls you "nigga" you don't get mad do you?

Originally posted by P, that Dude
wtf did i say it was about race???did i say anything about race??? did i??? AIYYO KOOLZ can you check if i said anything about a man's color on my last post??? daaaaammmn....

If you don't count "White guys dressing up as niggas", then no. I do count that, unfortunately for you.

Originally posted by P, that Dude
all i was trying to say is....

are you ready? no really... are you ready??? i need your full attention this time cuz i aint sayin it again...

*drum roll*

HIPHOP IS A CULTURE! ITS MORE THAN MUSIC.

that's it. i wasnt saying anything about skin or race. you were the one thinking its about race... lmao... hit a nerve?

but on the real... its not like im writing in hieroglyphics here... ITS IN ENGLISH SON.

I know what you're trying to say, and I just completely disproved anything you've said, so you're replying desperately.

We all get what you tried to say and you're an idiot for trying to say it.

I asked you a question though. You said I'm not hip hop, do you consider yourself hip hop? If so, why?

Hip hop isn't a culture, it's a genre. There is a culture that happens to be synonymous with it, but that culture isn't technically anything to do with the music. Because there are people all over America that make perfectly good hip hop and dress/act nothing like the "culture" you mentioned.

You made a point, I got it. I countered you and your subconscious racism and now you're back pedalling.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You said I'm not hip hop, do you consider yourself hip hop? If so, why?

I'm hip-hop because the Mav's shitted on the Suns last night.

😛

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I'm hip-hop because the Mav's shitted on the Suns last night.

😛

im hip hop cuz Oilers are about to sweep the Ducks

😄 im sooo happy.

The Mighty Ducks? 😛

Well Im hip-hop cos I totally know what you two are talking about! lookaround

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
The Mighty Ducks? 😛

no one watches hockey these days 🙁

"im like the 38th chamber Rza hasn't discovered yet"
- Chino XL

shock

Originally posted by -hh-
yea.

no one watches hockey these days 🙁

😱 Then switch to Basketball.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well Im hip-hop cos I totally know what you two are talking about! lookaround

Agreed.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
😱 Then switch to Basketball.

Agreed.

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Sorry thought this was the what are you listining to 😮

Originally posted by Mugen
although im not Koolz (no pun intended 😛) these were a few of your words:

[B]White dudes dressing up like niggas

^ would you like to tell me how a "Nigga" dresses, so i can make sure i don't dress like him, i want no affiliation with the word at all.

ohh and when a non-black calls you "nigga" you don't get mad do you? [/B]

yo son im sad for you... hate it or love it, you are "one".... but if you want no affiliation with the word.... fine then, smfh

and no that word doesnt even affect the air im breathing on....

but i do get pissed off when i read that shit in a message board being used by a white guy... cause i know for damn sure he aint got the balls to say it in my face

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you don't count "White guys dressing up as niggas", then no. I do count that, unfortunately for you.

I know what you're trying to say, and I just completely disproved anything you've said, so you're replying desperately.

We all get what you tried to say and you're an idiot for trying to say it.

I asked you a question though. You said I'm not hip hop, do you consider yourself hip hop? If so, why?

Hip hop isn't a culture, it's a genre. There is a culture that happens to be synonymous with it, but that culture isn't technically anything to do with the music. Because there are people all over America that make perfectly good hip hop and dress/act nothing like the "culture" you mentioned.

You made a point, I got it. I countered you and your subconscious racism and now you're back pedalling.

-AC

i might actually stop going from KMC because of this bullshit...

son wtf are you babbling about???? wtf are you on? cant you understand what i meant when i said "White guys dressing up as niggas"?? cant you? it doesnt even concern this new issue that you are so determined to discuss...STAY ON THE MOTHA*UCKING SUBJECT.

"I asked you a question though. You said I'm not hip hop, do you consider yourself hip hop? If so, why?"

lmao! baiting? son im hiphop to the FULLEST! are you? where are you when politicians were trying to stop the music? huh? i bet you dont know about hiphop then... where were you when nas gave that free concert in CP?have you been part of any street team? ever help an artist promote his shit? ever been part of any street team? ever had a freestyle battle on the park with your "boys"?

lmao... why the **** am i asking you this... youre the definition of a herb son... you stay around in your computer all day and start calling people "idiots"... son whatever, i didnt even said anything that is deragatory towards you... i mustve hit a nerve on your part

it is what it is...

Originally posted by P, that Dude
yo son im sad for you... hate it or love it, you are "one".... but if you want no affiliation with the word.... fine then, smfh

Point you seem to have a problem with people that think differently to you, is it that hard to imagine a black man not wanting to call himself a nigga?
Like i said what you choose to call yourself is up to you, but im with Mugen on this one and would prefer not to be labeled that way.
Its a big old world out there man and not all brothers think the same way, doesnt mean we're not black. That type of thinking is driving our race even further apart.