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nwa is wack.. boring... public enemy wanna be's

g-funk on the other hand, is the shit. deameaning women, praising violence, and blind hedonism.. all over a whiny synth melody that makes you wanna bust a cap in a nigga. it is thinking man's hip hop right here.. just cause the lyrics are the most illogical ****ing shit you've ever heard doesn't mean it can't give you mental orgasms. on the contrary, the ignorant nature of these thug niggaz is what makes it all so mentally stimulating. i get more pleasure from too $hort's ignorant boasting and female bashing then i ever did from some *** nigga tribe called quest song.

g's up, ho's down.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
True. To most people from England, it's probably all "just American". To be honest, I'm surprised you can see a difference in the regions, and don't lump it altogether as "that rap stuff".

Why?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yes I am ese, and I was hoping for some preference diversity among the fans here. Not a bunch of people who worship Method Man and Organized Konfusion as deities.

I don't see anybody that does that. I see people who see those artists for what they are or were, which was amazing contributors to hip hop.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
In that song's defense, it actually had a message. Tupac was one of the few West Coast vatos who didn't just talk about smoking mota and hopping in lowriders.

Yeah, but having a message doesn't make a song intelligent, it depends on what the message is. In his case; "Prostitution is bad and women are dying.". We get it, it's not exactly new thinking. I also find his concern for females to be rather contradictory considering some of his lyrics.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That's odd that East Coast fans would be into NWA and Dre's old shit, porque 90% of the stuff they rapped about was the epitome of West Coast: smoking mota, f*cking women, hopping in candy-painted toys, and "taking care of" your enemies.

I don't think it's the subject matter that causes the love of it. I don't like NWA because they talked about that, I liked them because the songs in general were good. Nuthin' but a G Thang is a great song, not because they're talking about smoking and having sex, but because it's just a great song. It's nostalgic also, the sound of West Coast hip hop was really something that captured the whole essense of a time, I think. They achieved universal recognition for the general sound, when they were only really trying to appeal to like-minded L.A citizens.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And a West Coast legend collaborating with a chick band doesn't dock any credibility. Sure it makes him look like a *** and like he's lost his edge, but that doesn't detract his prior work or the shit he's done for West Coast.

A) They're not a chick band, they're a bunch of talentless ex-burlesque dancers, one of which sings, the rest stand there looking (arguably) pretty.

B) I'm saying it demeans his credibility BECAUSE of who he was. The guy that gave us Doggystyle, a classic album, is now collaborating with Nelly, Justin Timberlake and The Pussycat Dolls. Busta Rhymes is the same, and that's the reason mainstream hip hop will never be strong or real. The original idea behind all these collaborations -- which began with MCs appearing on songs with R&B artists -- was to spread genuine hip hop to a wider audience. Sooner or later, it wasn't hip hop that was being spread, it was just people rapping on R&B songs. R&B songs with rapping in.

Method Man has even had a few horrible collaborations to his name, the only one I can think of right now is Ashanti, but at least he still drops crazy verses on the worst songs, and his work with Mary J. Blige is legendary. Snoop Dogg is out there rhyming nothing but nonsense. I would never take away the credit for what he contributed, but he's contributed more to facilitate the commercialisation and death of mainstream hip hop than he's done to help it.

Method Man is the Robert de Niro of mainstream hip hop. Robert de Niro is one of the best actors ever, and even if the movie he's in is complete shit, he plays a brilliant part. He's often the highlight of it. I think everyone can agree that Meth is one of the best MCs to ever be a part of hip hop, but even if he appears on the odd lame song or album, it's always a decent contribution. Snoop just can't do that, neither can many others.

Ludacris is the only MC of recent years that blew up huge and retained, I feel, some degree of MCing ability. Even though his music became horrid (His debut was good, in my opinion).

-AC

no.. **** all that.. we've known snoop was a sell out since he spit the lines "and no limit is da label dat payyyyyysss me"

the day he lost his credibility, though, was the day he collabed with John Legend. makin a song about how "he can change" "for the right girl." what kinda fa.g nigga move is that? Snoop dogg.. the legend... the nigga who released "aint no fun if the homies can't have none..." is talking about retiring his player's card for "the right girl" on some rnb joint. since when has there been a "right girl," snoop?! what happen to all women being worthless objects of effection, gash to be punished once, then passed to the nigga on the left?

snoop needs to issue a public apology to his fans for that john legend collab.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't think it's the subject matter that causes the love of it. I don't like NWA because they talked about that, I liked them because the songs in general were good. Nuthin' but a G Thang is a great song, not because they're talking about smoking and having sex, but because it's just a great song. It's nostalgic also, the sound of West Coast hip hop was really something that captured the whole essense of a time, I think. They achieved universal recognition for the general sound, when they were only really trying to appeal to like-minded L.A citizens.

-AC

Originally posted by reggie_jax
nwa is wack.. boring... public enemy wanna be's

g-funk on the other hand, is the shit. deameaning women, praising violence, and blind hedonism.. all over a whiny synth melody that makes you wanna bust a cap in a nigga. it is thinking man's hip hop right here.. just cause the lyrics are the most illogical ****ing shit you've ever heard doesn't mean it can't give you mental orgasms. on the contrary, the ignorant nature of these thug niggaz is what makes it all so mentally stimulating. i get more pleasure from too $hort's ignorant boasting and female bashing then i ever did from some *** nigga tribe called quest song.

g's up, ho's down.

Que dijo, guey?

NWA aren't Public Enemy wannabe's. And I agree with you about G-funk, ey.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why?

You don't strike me as a rap guru.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't think it's the subject matter that causes the love of it. I don't like NWA because they talked about that, I liked them because the songs in general were good. Nuthin' but a G Thang is a great song, not because they're talking about smoking and having sex, but because it's just a great song. It's nostalgic also, the sound of West Coast hip hop was really something that captured the whole essense of a time, I think. They achieved universal recognition for the general sound, when they were only really trying to appeal to like-minded L.A citizens.

A lot of East Coast fans say they like NWA just because it makes them look like a well-rounded hip-hop fan, with extensive rap knowledge. I'm not accusing you or anyone in this thread of that; its something I've observed and noticed in real life.

And saying that "the songs in general were good" and that "Nuttin' But A G-thang" is a good song "just because", sound like shallow reasons to me. I have a reason for liking what I do.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The guy that gave us Doggystyle

That didn't sound right. 😆

What do you mean "us"? Maybe he gave you doggystyle, but he certainly didn't give me doggystyle. 😂

Ijole guey!

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Method Man is the Robert de Niro of mainstream hip hop. Robert de Niro is one of the best actors ever, and even if the movie he's in is complete shit, he plays a brilliant part. He's often the highlight of it. I think everyone can agree that Meth is one of the best MCs to ever be a part of hip hop, but even if he appears on the odd lame song or album, it's always a decent contribution. Snoop just can't do that, neither can many others.

DeNiro is no doubt a good actor and I'm a fan of many of his flicks, but I wouldn't call him one of the greatest. Because he's really only capable of 2 roles: either a violent mobster or the serious guy in a slapstick comedy. Just like his frequent co-star Joe Pecsi.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ludacris is the only MC of recent years that blew up huge and retained, I feel, some degree of MCing ability. Even though his music became horrid (His debut was good, in my opinion).

Ludacris? No thanks. I despise Southern hip-hop.

Originally posted by reggie_jax
no.. **** all that.. we've known snoop was a sell out since he spit the lines "and no limit is da label dat payyyyyysss me"

the day he lost his credibility, though, was the day he collabed with John Legend. makin a song about how "he can change" "for the right girl." what kinda fa.g nigga move is that? Snoop dogg.. the legend... the nigga who released "aint no fun if the homies can't have none..." is talking about retiring his player's card for "the right girl" on some rnb joint. since when has there been a "right girl," snoop?! what happen to all women being worthless objects of effection, gash to be punished once, then passed to the nigga on the left?

snoop needs to issue a public apology to his fans for that john legend collab.

🤨

I certainly don't agree with your opening sentence, not to metnion the rest of your post, ese. Snoop may have gone soft in recent years, pero eso vato sure as hell isn't a ***.

And as for you accusing him of not looking for the right girl; I'll point out that he was married for 7 years before his recent divorce. Which is a lot more than I can say for many other celebreties.

Originally posted by Phat J
correction, nuthin but a g thang is a dre song with snoop in it, not a nwa song. get your facts straight AC. 😛

😂

Originally posted by Phat J
correction, nuthin but a g thang is a dre song with snoop in it, not a nwa song. get your facts straight AC. 😛

I noticed that as I was reading it back actually, my bad. I meant "They're" as in Snoop and Dre. You know me better than to think I would not know who did that song, Phat, haha. I own The Chronic, that's proof enough. Still, bad mess, I accept being pie-faced this once, haha.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You don't strike me as a rap guru.

I'm not a "rap guru", I'm an extremely big fan of hip hop. Me being from England doesn't mean I can't know my stuff. We're not all Tim Westwood, haha.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
A lot of East Coast fans say they like NWA just because it makes them look like a well-rounded hip-hop fan, with extensive rap knowledge. I'm not accusing you or anyone in this thread of that; its something I've observed and noticed in real life.

Similarly, a lot of West Coast fans say they don't like Wu-Tang Clan purely because they're from the East. It's retarded. I've never understood why people affiliate themselves with a genre or in this case, a coast.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And saying that "the songs in general were good" and that "Nuttin' But A G-thang" is a good song "just because", sound like shallow reasons to me. I have a reason for liking what I do.

So do I. It's a good song, a classic song that gets namedropped a lot, sure, but a good song. What more reason do I need than "I liked it"? None. I know that I'm a genuine fan, I don't really care what my reasons come off as.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That didn't sound right. 😆

What do you mean "us"? Maybe he gave you doggystyle, but he certainly didn't give me doggystyle. 😂

Ijole guey!

I did laugh at that, admittedly, but if you stretched trying to nail that joke any further you'd have broke it in half, haha.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
DeNiro is no doubt a good actor and I'm a fan of many of his flicks, but I wouldn't call him one of the greatest. Because he's really only capable of 2 roles: either a violent mobster or the serious guy in a slapstick comedy. Just like his frequent co-star Joe Pecsi.

Precisely, but the fact that he makes distinguishable characters out of 2D character typecasts is what makes him a good actor, to me anyway.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Ludacris? No thanks. I despise Southern hip-hop.

I wasn't offering him to you, I was saying I liked his first album.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And as for you accusing him of not looking for the right girl; I'll point out that he was married for 7 years before his recent divorce. Which is a lot more than I can say for many other celebreties.

I never did get that, personally.

The big deal of talking about emotions in hip hop. I mean, even in other music, the subject of love is horrendously overused, but when done right (E.g: Jeff Buckley, Marvin Gaye etc), it's great stuff. Ice Cube hit out at those kind of people in a song by Westside Connection, the title eludes me, and the next thing you know...he's in a Beyonce video (Whom he dissed in the aforementioned song).

If you want to do emotions, do it, but I think a lot of MCs do it out of trying to be diverse rather than wanting to. Like 50 Cent's 21 Questions, one of the foulest songs committed to record since Nelly/Kelly did Dilemma.

-AC

Dilemma was a nice song.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Que dijo, guey?

🤨

I certainly don't agree with your opening sentence, not to metnion the rest of your post, ese. Snoop may have gone soft in recent years, pero eso vato sure as hell isn't a ***.

And as for you accusing him of not looking for the right girl; I'll point out that he was married for 7 years before his recent divorce. Which is a lot more than I can say for many other celebreties.

i'm not accusing him of not looking for the right girl.. just the opposite.. the snoop i know and love doesn't give a **** about bitches.. treats them as ****ing objects.. what he does in his personal life is his own business.. what he says in his songs is mine.

not like i'm disowning him.. he's a G for life for his earlier work.. just think he owes us all an apology for his fa.g nigga tendencies as of late..

so i guess your the one who decides whos hard and whos a f@g nigga right?

decides? no, i'm just relaying da message.

right i aint hatin, but The Tribe as f@g niggas....yeah i dont know about that.

tribe are the ultimate f@g nigga collective...

Originally posted by reggie_jax
just think he owes us all an apology for his fa.g nigga tendencies as of late..

He doesn't owe you anything.

He doesn't owe it to anyone not to be a pop hop sellout, but conversely we don't owe it to him to keep respecting him for it.

-AC

unacceptable.

HE OWES ME....

Originally posted by reggie_jax
indeed.... chalupe grande supreme...

caught me off guard 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by reggie_jax
tribe are the ultimate f@g nigga collective...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Good stuff, Doom. It's just a shame there's such a limit to his work. If you haven't checked it out, I recommend the Legacy Edition of Grace. It's three discs, one is a DVD. Pretty sweet.

I bought the Legacy Edition right after I bought the original version. I bought it just for Forget Her alone. That's a great great song. I also bought the Legacy Edition of Live at Sin-é. Amazing stuff. and I always think of what could have been. How many great albums he would have right now if he hadn't past away. Such a great loss.

I don't think that we're West Coast biased. I would say more underground biased. I know people here are big fans of Blackalicious, Madlib, MURS, Living Legends, DJ Shadow, Freestyle Fellowship ect ect ect. All west coast acts.

and you have to remember the east coast is the birth place of hip-hop. So hip-hop goes way back for the east. But the west coast shines too. Hip-hop is hip-hop though. Regardless of what coast it's from.

I see something. Something from the future. Involving reggie_jax. I see. I see... RESTRICTED.