Originally posted by dvampire
Back than Flash (Allen) wasn't that fast, him and Supes was just faster than sound speed. Doomsday was faster than Flash back than, but not now, since Flash is faster than light and has the speed force. Doomsday wins IMO though, he's faster and just as stronger (depending on which version you use). 🙂
I suppose it depends on which incarnation of Hulk you choose, as well as the version of Doomsday...
Originally posted by Superherovandal
no way. Supes was fighting Doomsday with Motherbox enhancements and still lost. Hulk wouldn't be able to touch Doomsday let alone knock him down. He would be constantly adapting to Hulk's rising strength. Or Gamma energy. How do you think he managed to beat thousands of Gogs?
Are you implying that Doomsday is too fast for Hulk to touch him?
Depending on which version of Hulk you use, Hulk can be stronger than Superman enhanced by a Mother Box.
Hulk's strength doesn't just rise gradually. It can increase exponentially. Faster than Doomsday can adapt.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Are you implying that Doomsday is too fast for Hulk to touch him?Depending on which version of Hulk you use, Hulk can be stronger than Superman enhanced by a Mother Box.
Hulk's strength doesn't just rise gradually. It can increase exponentially. Faster than Doomsday can adapt.
that's an assumption... doomsdays shown the ability to adapt to a weakness in seconds...
Errr...except for when he was killed by Superman's punches. Digging through miles of stone and killing countless Gogs is highly impressive...but ur talking about him adapting to an indescribable force. Hulk's strength, when he resisted the antimatter-matter attraction and then threw it across space where it became a star, was indescribable...if he had thrown a planet across the galaxy would have been less challenging...and yes digging through a few miles of rock is less impressive than throwing a planet. His strength rises to the occasion like mentioned before. And in this case, the occasion is dropping DD.
Originally posted by jinzin
that's an assumption... doomsdays shown the ability to adapt to a weakness in seconds...
Yes, it is, and it's a well grounded assumption. If Doomsday simply evolved as fast as his opponent attacked, he would have never been defeated. Ever. Besides, Doomsday has never fought someone who can increase their strength exponentially in the middle of a fight.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Errr...except for when he was killed by Superman's punches. Digging through miles of stone and killing countless Gogs is highly impressive...but ur talking about him adapting to an indescribable force. Hulk's strength, when he resisted the antimatter-matter attraction and then threw it across space where it became a star, was indescribable...if he had thrown a planet across the galaxy would have been less challenging...and yes digging through a few miles of rock is less impressive than throwing a planet. His strength rises to the occasion like mentioned before. And in this case, the occasion is dropping DD.
I don't think you're quite following.. so your argument relies on the premise that doomsday can still be harmed.. even killed with physical force... when there is nothing to support it?
I don't think you're following.. doomsday doesn't have to equate his strength to hulks.. though hulk would have an ENORMOUSLY significant jump just to get to dd's base strength.... DD can adapt defensively as well...
Yes..like if he tranform into poo or become intangable...
Well he clearly has some pattern to his adaptations...Otherwise he would be gaining a diverse aray of offenses and defenses like Amazo or the Super Adaptoid...Instead of this he has continually gone in the direction of becoming marginally stronger, harder, sharper, faster...into a big spikey grey skinned humanoid.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think you're quite following.. so your argument relies on the premise that doomsday can still be harmed.. even killed with physical force... when there is nothing to support it?I don't think you're following.. doomsday doesn't have to equate his strength to hulks.. though hulk would have an ENORMOUSLY significant jump just to get to dd's base strength.... DD can adapt defensively as well...
I'm basing my arguement on the fact that Doomsday has never evolved to the point where he was immune to physical attack. If he could simply evolve and become totally immune to physical attack, he would have done so the first time he was defeated physically.
Hmm... Hulk's "base strength" would depend on which incarnation of the Hulk we're referring to, wouldn't it? Say, how strong is Doomsday anyway? Does he really have any feats that surpass Hulks? Of course not.
I know that Doomsday adapts defensively. Question is, would he be able to do so in this fight, at the same exponential rate at which Hulk was growing stronger?
marginally stronger? going from a state of nearly superman's equal to making new god supes completely and utter 100% battle ineffective is a marginal increase? 🤨
again... he adapts to what's most dangerous to him....
it's been said before but it was a correct assessment..
DOS dd loses
dd rex loses
hunter prey, doomsday wars, and gog wars dd wins.
Originally posted by jinzin
marginally stronger? going from a state of nearly superman's equal to making new god supes completely and utter 100% battle ineffective is a marginal increase? 🤨again... he adapts to what's most dangerous to him....
it's been said before but it was a correct assessment..
DOS dd loses
dd rex loses
hunter prey, doomsday wars, and gog wars dd wins.
That would depend on the incarnation of the Hulk as well.
Mindless Hulk isn't losing to any version of Doomsday. Neither is Onslaught Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubesuch as brute force correct? since that's all hulk offers, than I must assume that's what you mean... but feats would dictate otherwise...
I'm basing my arguement on the fact that Doomsday has never evolved to the point where he was immune to physical attack.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubeagainl.. your making the assumption that the doomsday creature that was evolving to become the ultimate was the same asthe ultimate himself... you're making the same mistake you made when you thought dd and dd rex were the same.
If he could simply evolve and become totally immune to physical attack, he would have done so the first time he was defeated physically.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubehe doesn't need it.. he can rely on the fact that he's clearly and utterly outclassed superman in every way in terms of strength.. supes feats speak for themselves... and they've already been clearly laid out for you in other threads where this issue's been discussed..
Hmm... Hulk's "base strength" would depend on which incarnation of the Hulk we're referring to, wouldn't it? Say, how strong is Doomsday anyway? Does he really have any feats that surpass Hulks? Of course not..
Originally posted by Cosmic Cubeagain.. if hulk's only thing to bring to the table is his strength.. why would he need to? even so.... he's shown the ability to adapt to attacks in seconds...
I know that Doomsday adapts defensively. Question is, would he be able to do so in this fight, at the same exponential rate at which Hulk was growing stronger?
Originally posted by jinzin
marginally stronger? going from a state of nearly superman's equal to making new god supes completely and utter 100% battle ineffective is a marginal increase? 🤨again... he adapts to what's most dangerous to him....
it's been said before but it was a correct assessment..
DOS dd loses
dd rex loses
hunter prey, doomsday wars, and gog wars dd wins.
In light of throwing an object with more inertia than a planet...that is marginal.
Originally posted by jinzin
onlslaught hulk- via plot devicemindless hulk- inconsistant (your hoping best case scenario, obviously)
What's your point? Doomsday's power increases are all results of plot devices. Doesn't make them any less valid.
Mindless Hulk isn't inconsistant. He had started to get weaker when seperated from Banner. He began to fade from existance. When he first became mindless, he wrestled the pre-retconned Beyonder to the ground.