Hulk vs. Doomsday

Originally posted by olympian
"he CAN know it if doomsday beats the crap out of flash twice though"

You are doing one heck of a salad.

Flash didnt even showed up in DOS. Therefore how can he compare the two?

He made that comment while -he- was getting beaten. Because he couldnt react. The man is usualy accepted as human and Meta at the very best. His reactions getting outdone cant give a " wow hes faster than the flash because im doing nada to him".

The comment its wrong by what the -whole- story shows.

im discussing only DOS. Not the rest.

I know that.. I'm being difficult... 😈

Doesn't matter of DD comes back to life. He can be defeated the same way over and over and over again by a being with an infinite ability such as strength. Like I said in an earlier post. This would lead to a deformation of DD, making him top heavy and unweildy if his upper body is where he is constantly attacked.

Superman strength = stationary

Hulk strength = limitless

Originally posted by Jargon343
At that point, Burtron had taken to calling his creation 'The Ultimate'. A superior being that was beyond death, it didn't have to eat or drink and could store solar energy for millennia if nessesarry (another tangent, but many people here seem to think that throwing DD into the sun could kill him; but he's like Superman, a solar battery, throwing him into the sun would be a bad idea. Unlike Superman, he isn't limited to yellow suns). If The Ultimate should come across a being stronger than himself, and be killed, he would come back to life superior to whatever killed him.

If I wanted to compete for a 'No-Prize' and explain this, maybe a sufficient explanation is that Superman absorbs more power at a faster rate than DD would, which would resolve the seeming inconsistency.

Oh, BTW, it sounds dumb, but when has Hulk been killed/destroyed? And I mean... in a real beat-down, definitive kind of fashion? I mean, we saw Supes and DD die... a bunch of times... and I'm sure Hulk has too... but I just can't think of any that would match the definitive ways that Supes and DD died. BTW, the whole Gog Wars DD fighting constantly for a 100 years, I think Hulk did that too. I remember he was trapped in some Hell and fought the hordes of Hell and since time was irrelevant there, he ended up fighting them for years on end also. I may be wrong, but I remember the page of the comic vividly. It wasn't fiery Hell, more like a land of the walking dead type of Hell, in case someone else has read that and would like to verify.

The Hulk's strenth being limitless is iffy. It's defiently extremely high, but it's also possible it does end.

"remember he was trapped in some Hell and fought the hordes of Hell and since time was irrelevant there, he ended up fighting them for years on end also. I may be wrong, but I remember the page of the comic vividly. It wasn't fiery Hell, more like a land of the walking dead type of Hell, in case someone else has read that and would like to verify."

Asgardian hel right?

Hulk did died before. He was once killed by the Enchantress and brough back to life by Odin.

Beaten to death? First slug with Abomination for example. Altho of course he didnt died, he was just hurt and ko quickly.

Originally posted by olympian
"remember he was trapped in some Hell and fought the hordes of Hell and since time was irrelevant there, he ended up fighting them for years on end also. I may be wrong, but I remember the page of the comic vividly. It wasn't fiery Hell, more like a land of the walking dead type of Hell, in case someone else has read that and would like to verify."

Asgardian hel right?

Hulk did died before. He was once killed by the Enchantress and brough back to life by Odin.

Beaten to death? First slug with Abomination for example. Altho of course he didnt died, he was just hurt and ko quickly.

Hulk has 'died' countless times. Never stayed dead, though. Whether he comes back with help, or without help, he always comes back.

Originally posted by sam_drugbringer
The Hulk's strenth being limitless is iffy. It's defiently extremely high, but it's also possible it does end.

Some of Hulk's incarnations have limits to their strength. Some don't. Savage Hulk clearly doesn't. Savage Hulk has greater feats of strength than just about every superhero; if he had a limit, he would have hit it by now. He has displayed limitless strength, on more than one occasion.

Time after time, the Hulk's strength is said to "have no upper limit." When has it ever been even hinted that he had one?

Originally posted by Sparkz
Actuly professor Hulk asked Jean to turn his human side off in effect turning him into the savage Hulk, so he did beat onslaught by himself.

This is my point exactly. Jean hadn't powered Hulk up when he faced Onslaught. She had turned off his human side, making him Savage Hulk.

If Savage Hulk can reach Onslaught beating rage within the short time it took for him to do so, it would be impossible for Doomsday to compete with him, in terms of strength. Onslaught was easily Imperiex Prime level. So was Galaxy Master. Hulk had no problem becoming stronger than their physical forms

Don't make me come up with a list of Savage Hulk's greatest feats of strength. They'll make ANY version of Doomsday's feats look like a pile of refuse.

Unless Doomsday can consciously or automatically evolve at a rate that can compensate for Savage Hulk's geometric bursts, he will lose a fight against the Savage Hulk. If he can, it will be a stalemate. If this isn't Savage Hulk, but instead a weaker incarnation, Hulk will probably lose.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
This is my point exactly. Jean hadn't powered Hulk up when he faced Onslaught. She had turned off his human side, making him Savage Hulk.

If Savage Hulk can reach Onslaught beating rage within the short time it took for him to do so, it would be impossible for Doomsday to compete with him, in terms of strength. Onslaught was easily Imperiex Prime level. So was Galaxy Master. Hulk had no problem becoming stronger than their physical forms

Don't make me come up with a list of Savage Hulk's greatest feats of strength. They'll make ANY version of Doomsday's feats look like a pile of refuse.

Unless Doomsday can consciously or automatically evolve at a rate that can compensate for Savage Hulk's geometric bursts, he will lose a fight against the Savage Hulk. If he can, it will be a stalemate. If this isn't Savage Hulk, but instead a weaker incarnation, Hulk will probably lose.

Originally posted by Juntai
Agreed with everything here, except Onslaught being as powerful as Imperiex part.. lol.

Why not? Onslaught at full power had universe creating powers. I mean, Imperiex planned to destroy the universe in OWAW, but he never suceeded. All he did was blow up a lot of planets (not that it isn't impressive, but Onslaught could have done the same.)

Onslaught had enough power to create a sun. I think that puts him on par with Imperiex's best showings.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why not? Onslaught at full power had universe creating powers. I mean, Imperiex planned to destroy the universe in OWAW, but he never suceeded. All he did was blow up a lot of planets (not that it isn't impressive, but Onslaught could have done the same.)

Onslaught had enough power to create a sun. I think that puts him on par with Imperiex's best showings.

Anyways, we'll save this arguement for another time.
Point is, I agree.
😄

Originally posted by Juntai
Anyways, we'll save this arguement for another time.
Point is, I agree.
😄

That's good to know. 😄

Originally posted by Juntai
Imperiex did succed his purpose. Read the series again.
Exactly what happened is exactly what was supposed to happen.

Exactly. Imperiex wasn't really a bad guy. He just wanted to eliminate the imperfection in the universe. Initially, he devised a plan to destroy the universe, eliminating the imperfection.

Later, he found out what the true imperfection was. 😄

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Interesting post. Just one thing... in 'Sacrifice,' crazy mind-controlled Superman was trying to take WW into the sun thinking he was taking DD. Since 'Sacrifice' made it a point that Superman was being very tactical, even while being mind-controlled during the storyline, I don't think DD getting stronger in the sun really applies. Maybe one of those things they just undid.

Originally posted by Juntai
The sun wouldn't destroy him, but he couldn't get off of it. That's the point. He'd be there until someone released him again, this is also how he moved from planet to planet. He had to wait for a way to the next one... typically an alien craft. Get it now?

That makes sense.

He wouldn't be able to get out of the sun. That doesn't mean it would kill him.

Putting him in the Sun wouldnt have been the smartest idea...
DD prime!!
Seriously though, DD powers up from the sun as well, likes Supes, and Surfer do.

"Hulk has 'died' countless times. Never stayed dead, though. Whether he comes back with help, or without help, he always comes back"

Thats what i said, with help. Of course without it he wouldnt.

Wrong. Dead Hulk + time = Live Hulk

Hulk its not immortal. If it wasent for Odin, he wouldnt had come back.

Wrong, he's done it before