The Terminator Versus Thread

T-X, the 'anti-Terminator' Terminator, was made once the T2 storyline occured which altered the timeline, and made SkyNet aware that at some point, the humans would gain control of Terminators, so SkyNet, in its infinite wisdom created the 'anti-terminator terminator' to go clean up the timeline... even if you don't consider the timeline alterations, the machines would 'naturally' work on upgrades as long as those pesky human resistance fighters kept nipping at the heels of all the 'obsolete models' like t-800s... as humans learned the weaknesses of each successive series of Terminator H/Ks, SkyNet monitored the battles, and developed new and better terminators to make it tougher on the humans.

In dicking around with my T-4 and 5 ideas, I had developed a story where the human resistance at the Crystal Peak complex rebuild the T-850 and T-X. Well, they rebuild 2 cyborgs using the spare parts, and whatever other parts they acquire during the battles with the machines... one of the 'human-constructed' cyborgs turns evil (the one with the T-X CPU) and the other (the one with the T-850 CPU) stays good, so at the end of the T4 story, they face off again, for a juicy prize, and T4 ends in an unexpected way; the good guys lose... which sets the stage for T5, the invention of the TDE, and the closure of the loop, which ends the series... or does it??

Originally posted by alic88
ya rossbond thats right. but 1 thing i wonder, why the hell did they make an anti-terminator terminator. what for

Perhaps in the future for this Skynet...the Mchines become smart enough to rebel against their master.

It would make the junkyard of Terminators a formailty.

with only t-900's and their Derivatives the T-X's stay online...because Skynet has total control over them.

so the T-X's were designed to quell a machine rebellion against Skynet

I'd have to agree that the T-X with her ability to conceal complex weapons within her endoskeleton, including plasma-based cannons and what not, would probably shred hell out of T-1000, if one of the other of them would ever become corrupt and turn against their brethren, the machines for whatever reason...

Originally posted by RossBond
Perhaps in the future for this Skynet...the Mchines become smart enough to rebel against their master.

It would make the junkyard of Terminators a formailty.

with only t-900's and their Derivatives the T-X's stay online...because Skynet has total control over them.

so the T-X's were designed to quell a machine rebellion against Skynet

Part of my idea has humans rebuilding and reprogramming the T-850 and T-X units, the history of things to come from SkyNet, earlier in the war than they were invented by SkyNet, which again, alters the timeline, changing the history of things to come... once the humans get some level of mastery of rebuilding, remodeling, reprogramming their own army of cyborgs to fight against the machines, SkyNet really gets its panties in a bunch and has to come up with new and better designs of people and cyborg killers, which inspires it to invent the 'first' T-900, T-1000, and eventual T-X years after the humans rebuilt the first model to inspire SkyNet to build the first model...

weird...

I have read some of the statments of people. I have debated this with my friends as well. I say that the T 1000 is better because he has no hard structure to be crushed. That is the main drawback with the T800 & TX. I have also read from a reply that the T1000 could be corupted by TX nanobots. There could be no way for that to happen because T1000 has no wires or difinitive cpu, its not like corupting a car or a lesser terminattor like the early series she had under control in the base. To prove it further T1000 is more advanced than T800 and T800 still reganed control over his own cpu by shuttin down his systoms. My buddy also tryed to pull the "she has a plasma cannon" rap on me. Well yes she does but it takes her 5-10 seconds to fire that thing. In that amont of time the T1000 could eather dodge or creep on her within hand to hand range. If that happend she would get hosed because she could be broken and damaged. Mind you, it would take some pounding on his part to break her, but it could be done. He housed arnold real quick both times when they fought in part 2. But as you could well see Arnold kept good pace fighting her in 3, slamming her through walls and so on. I think it would be more likely that T1000 could corupt her poly mammetic skin and use it than her corupting him with nanno bots. I admit she was tough and SUPER FINE but she was just a bond between T800 & T1000 with some cute toys. I think Mostow did a good job with what he had to work with, I personally frowned at the scenes being cut because of funding but he did good never the less. I still like part 2 the best but arnold made the best Terminator in part 1 which I saw last night. I thought That Kristana Loken "hope I spelled it right", did a good job as the TX. I think that the next Terminator will be the best "war aganst the Macgines" I think it will be called, well at least Mostows best. I hope you do not cut to manny funds Jonny. I think that is what took away from T3. They should have had at least 15 or more minutes of footage, the movie moved to quick. There should have been more salt to counter the pepper. What I meen is there should have been more explanations on things instead of a quick over view. I do hope that James Cameron directs the next pic. You guys all saw what happend when the next Preditor was not directed by John McTeirnan, it was cool but it lost some zing.

The T-X would be far more effective on a battlefield, but the T-1000 is built to escape from anything. It could not have been broken by an helicopter falling on it, and it would have slipped out of the T-850's grasp in T 3.

The Plasma cannon is cool bro's, but T1000 has be smashed and burned with more force and heat than a plasma cannon. Think back too ummmmm the big rigg he crashed and burned in. In reguards to the TX, like I said she is just a beefed up version of the T800 with a cute little saw, some nanno bots and a plasma cannon. Personally I would have made a nother version of the T800 to go aganst arnold in part 3. I would have let him have the decided advantage by haveing healing skin like wolverines in x-men and also a more hardend body. also he could aquire weapons from known gun runners that skinet would most likly have files on because of the police department, it was hooked into all computers. So he could aquire some sick weapons like maybe an H&k G 36 "tight" or that new AK 47 with the pulsating barrel. Him fighting the gunn runners for his booty of weapons could have help astablish his charicter as well. Also there could have been more armor peircing bullet play, somthing that could hurt arnold endoskelliton, not just jar him a bit like all the other bullets have done. I would love to see arnolds charicter switch tacktics manualy and start useing cover to help with the threat. This terminator could also have somthing to help him with barking dogs, like some low frequincy do dad that made them not bark at him. I know the perfect guy to play him too, the dude from gladiator "no not Crow" the big dude that was his friend. I think this would have made for a better T3. They should have had TX in the war against the machines.

Also this other terminator could have had some human pleasantrys for interacting with non target personell. Ill explain, instead of being so robotic he would have been more human like in his mannor. Reasoning , bargoning to get what he wants so to draw less aattention from people. Like even calling police to help him like a victom of a crime just to be an ass and mess up connor and arnold. Like saying I just saw the guy who killed the 17 police officers in 84 or reporting a robbery or some other thing to get Arnold and connor messed with by police or other athoritys. He wolud be a tactical mennis or con man like that as well as other things. useing his surroundings and history to gain better results and have the upper hand in battle, to gain tactical supieriority. Thatr would be sweet.

With this terminator having all the voice stuff like arnold he could have called the police like some scared women who just got mugged or somthing. He also could have reported some false bank robbery or murder. This would have added depth to the movie, "my movie idea for the last 2 post replys".

thanx for reading the replys if you guys have. I know it took 3 boxes, sorry but i was so full of ideas and wanted to share. One movie fan to others.

tx was a gimmick.

t1000 was a great concept and character

I disagree.

Consider - the T-X had all the morphing abilities of the T-1000, but also had the sturdy endoskeleton that could conceal very useful weapons like the futuristic plasma cannon. Each new terminator has to be a progression of the one before it; I thought the progression here was very logical personally...

Having said that, her endoskeleton did make her somewhat easier to destroy...

no it didn't

Originally posted by Ahnold
I disagree.

Consider - the T-X had all the morphing abilities of the T-1000, but also had the sturdy endoskeleton that could conceal very useful weapons like the futuristic plasma cannon. Each new terminator has to be a progression of the one before it; I thought the progression here was very logical personally...

Having said that, her endoskeleton did make her somewhat easier to destroy...

I agree that it makes sense for the new terminator to be an upgrade but it was just cheesy - strong/morphing/weapons/woman.

the t1000 was a cool concept but was kept simple (liquid metal)
the tx had too many things so was less plausible.

it was also a gimmick to have a girl terminator.

Originally posted by glenn
no it didn't

Are you sure? Her endoskeleton was blown up with a hydrogen fuel cell. The T-1000 could've morphed back from that...

Mook < I didn't think the T-X was THAT complicated. Just the T-1000 with some weapons, that's all...

And don't you think another burly male terminator would have made the role stale? At least the were trying to be original...

wrong she was dusted by arnold crashing on her.

and no GOD is more than just a hope or reality

Ohh man guys, I have just read the replys a few pages back on the aplication of the comic book rules as people think they apply to the movies. THEY DON'T apply because as you can well see in the movie Arnold stands toe 2 toe with her and fights well. Unlike the BS comic book that from what I know or have heard she takes out 2 T-800s and 1 T-1000, well how could this happen when she barly beat Arnold, who put up a gallant fight. Allot more of a fight than he could vs T-1000 who like I said dealt with him real quick 2 times.

I also think that arguement about the gold edition, were T-1000 was dammaged by the nitrogen and had a malfuntion was BS. I do not think he was hurt at all. It looked to me like he was running a surface and systoms check on himself, or just showing off a bit by saying with his skin "you guys thought you hurt me hua, stuid mortals and cyborgs".

Also I must blast the people who were saying that TX's arm could not be dammaged by other meatle objects,. Well it seemed that that truck trailer dammaged her arm pretty well HUMMM and also the T-1000 ran arnold thru with a meatle rod REMEMBER. So if arnold split her down the middsection with a helo than I can well deduce that the T-1000 could have ran her thru, it would have just taken a few more pokes.,

This point too I would like to put out there. The TX is not more advanced than the T-1000 because the timeline was extended to a late date, by mommy and john connor destroying syberdyne systoms in T2. this meen the Nukler war happen later and skynet happen later. So thats about 10 or so years of R&D lost to time. So the T-1000 was more advanced because you must add in the syberdyne "if that is the correct spelling" advantage and how it helped skynet develope and start the war early. To be clearer, if you buy a car now it is a 2004 so if you take 10 years away it is a 1994 and clearly not as advanced.

The reason that the TX was an anti terminator Terminator is because the resistance was reprogramming T-800's to help them fight skynet. The T-1000 who obviously was being conciderd by skynet was in the works because they were starting to use his poly mammetic type for TX skin.

No matter what people say TX is obviously a blen between T-800 and T-1000 with cute toys. just look at facts and use reasoning people the answer is right there and right here.

everyone forgets good old Arnold, I don't so im doing this piece for him.

T-800 vs TX

Arnie uses big mini gun "but with depleated uranium rounds"
TX is promply hosed becuse depleated uranium goes thru her meatle butt like a hot knife thru butter.

T-800 vs T-1000

arnie draws down on the T-1000 with that nice fat 40 mmm grenade launcher with "white phosphorus rounds" or "acid rounds". T-1000 now a usless gue.

Originally posted by Brad DeNard
Wrong she was dusted by arnold crashing on her

Erm, I think you'll find that her liquid metal covering was removed by the fires of the helicopter crash, and that the endoskeleton was destroyed when Arnie inserted his hydrogen fuel cell into her mouth...

Originally posted by Brad DeNard
Everyone forgets good old Arnold, I don't so im doing this piece for him.

T-800 vs TX

Arnie uses big mini gun "but with depleated uranium rounds"
TX is promply hosed becuse depleated uranium goes thru her meatle butt like a hot knife thru butter.

T-800 vs T-1000

arnie draws down on the T-1000 with that nice fat 40 mmm grenade launcher with "white phosphorus rounds" or "acid rounds". T-1000 now a usless gue.

Erm, huh?