You are forgetting that the T-1000 could have slithered out from under the helicopter in an instant. Remember how it straight away emerged unscathed from the helicopter crash in T2? And the T-850 would not have been able to grab onto it any more than he could have grabbed onto running water. And as for forcefeeding it that bomb - wouldn't that have been as easy as forcefeeding something to his own shadow?
I think that the T-X was a gimmick to combine the T-800 with the T-1000. T3 was essentially milking the franchise, so their terminator was merely using the ideas from the original two films. As the T-800 was a rather less effective assassin than the T-1000 the amalgam of the two is unquestionably inferior to the T-1000.
Originally posted by Ahnold
All good points... makes you wonder why they reverted back to endoskeletons in the first place!
So many people to quote, so little space [sigh]...
Reet, Arnie shot the T-1000 with a shotgun about 5 times and he floored him. Arnie shot the T-X with a shotgun about 5 times, she transformed her arm (whilst getting shot at) into a weapon and sent the big man flying away God knows how many feet. Arnie could not floor the T-X with a shotgun (like he did to the T-1000) because of the T-X's hardened body armour chasis.
The endoskeleton gave the T-X a spine/backbone/something to support it, if you will. I thought at first that the T-X was a step back from the T-1000 but watching the film so many times made me realise it was actually a logical progression.
T-X = a gimmick? Maybe...
Even so, it [the T-X] is here, lets deal with it. It's an "anti Terminator Terminator". It's got a whatever the hell that morphing thing is on her right arm, which can be altered to accomodate whoever the T-X is fighting (i.e. if she's fighting Superman she can customise her built in weapon to fire kryptonite at him). Surely the T-X has some kinda built in weapon that would be more than capable of blasting the T-1000 into so many pieces that it cannot regroup to form itself.
But it doesn't matter cos Arnie whooped both they asses!
the tx was a gimmick, there was no real way to improve on the T1000.. they did whati thought they would do after t2. and no there was no divice she had to whip the t1000 because she was made to kill t800/50's because skynet was looseing and the resistance was reprograming the t800/50's to help them.
The viet kong did the same thing, use your foes divices aganst him, so they get weaker as you get stronger.
skynet had not even thought of the t1000 yet becase of 10 years of syberdine development was lost when john and mommy blew it up. 10 years of R&D gone up in smoke. so if you follow the time line on its correct path the tx is the older model.
Cool, yes, it's bizarre that thing with the cyberdyne timeline isn't it? I found a website trying to explain it. It said that the rebels sent back defenders, DESPITE knowing that the Terminators were going to fail. T3 makes no sense on any level though. Remember that the TX was able to kill some of her targets. That would create a paradox.
no it is a fact. judgement day was only post-poned, it is inevitable. so the judgment day was just pushed 6 yearz. originally it was supposed2 happen in 1997 but because of cyberdyne system blow up it just slowed the process. so in a way the day humanz win is also kinda post-poned. they were supposed 2 win in 2029, but coz of cyberdyne blowup it got pushed to 3 yearz.ARNIE SAYS IN T3
Brad - Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I dont feel that the TX was a gimmick, as you put it. An Anti-Terminator terminator? Don't you feel that's an improvement on the T-1000? And in terms of structure, the TX concealed weapons and had a solid structure while still being able to shape shift ala the T-1000. Don't you think that sounds like progress from the T-1000? Though your theory about her being an older model is credible, it sounds unlikely.
alic88 - Does the terminator specifically say in T3 that the victory was delayed by 3 years? I thought he just said all events had been "delayed" and that's all...
But then, what effect would the death of the lieutenanats have? I assume the flashback we saw in 2032 took the events of T3 into account...
But come to think about it, the TX didn't get around to murdering all of the lieutenants anyway...
Aarrgh! These paradoxes give me a headache!
Thanks for the info alic88, it's much appreciated.
Though like Ahnold said, the Terminator never specifically said the war was delayed by 3 years. Again, the time paradox thing could apply here...
Ahnold, it really depends on the way 'A' individual looks at the movie. The death of the lieutenants would "weaken" the resistance, though killing 4 or 5 future lieutenants might not have such an impact. You could look at the flashback in T3 of the future (2032) being down to the events of T3 or not at all...I'd like to think the killing of a few of John's future lieutenants had an impact on the war but hey I'll probs get shot down for that.
Anyways, back to the original question, I don’t think the T-X was a gimmick (please don’t hate me!!!) and like you said Ahnold, the theory about her being an older model than the T-1000 does seem unlikely. So as she’s an improved model on anything brought out before, surely it must be the “hardest” Terminator…?
Has anyone who has seen T3 and liked it actually said that they think the T-1000 could open up a can of whoop ass on the T-X? Because from this thread, and a few others on other Forums, it seems to be the T3 haters who fall in favour of the T-1000 over the T-X simply because of acting abilities or the fact that they didn't like the third Terminator. But hey, that could just be me and I've got it all wrong.
I favour the T-1000... but it's nothing to do with me liking or disliking T3! I'll admit, acting ability does play a part in how I view the two machines in terms of their characters: after all, Robert Patrick was simply more threatening than Kristanna Loken.
Even in terms of structure, I favour the T-1000 in a fight; lemme ask you this - if the T-800 stuck a hydrogen fuel cell inside of a T-1000, don't you think it would eventually remorph?
No I don't think it would remorph.
This relates back to another T3 forum that I was a member of. There was a thread that discussed the structure of the T-1000. There were some people that stated the T-1000 was only a prototype because when it came to testing its endurance/lastability, the T-1000 failed poorly. Something about it being hit with a plasma rifle or weapon to an extent where the pieces of the T-1000 were blown away so far apart that they were unable to regroup to form the structure of its former self.
Though this is only a "theory", it is one that I kind of agree with. Sticking the hydrogen cell in the T-1000 would do plenty of damage, and in accordance with the above theory that I read elsewhere, would separate the T-1000's poly mimitec pieces so far beyond repair. Again, this is not fact, it is something I read on a totally different forum, it was the views of fans and it is a view that I believe in.