Originally posted by wuTa
he had to of dissappeared......at the end when luke caught up with han and leai and and they were partying on the ewok planet look looked in the sky and he saw the ghosts of yoda obi wan and anakin..well it was suppose to be anakiin but he was like obi wans age
exactly. if vader/anakin, at the end of rotj, is a ghost, along with yoda and obi wan, why didn't he disappear? is it necessary for the viewer to see him disappear in order for him to actually disappear? although, i would like to see this "disappearing act" as a star wars fan, and not to mention it would show some continuity on the part of lucas, but it may not be absolutely necessary. i suppose we will all find out shortly.
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The reason I say very likely as opposed to certain is precisely because we did not see it on screen, although there is good grounds to saying that being as he turned up in ghost form it makes the disappearing canon.
The reason it is very likely is because the official site stated as much when specifically asked the question. This isn't canon but it is a phenomenally good lead and it is the default way to think.
all i am saying is if you and the other mods are gonna enforce rules here, you should follow them yourselves. lead by example. you and i had a similar conversation last year about...what was it? qui gon waiting for obi wan during the darth maul duel, i think. anyway, i wasnt familiar with the whole CANON thing, so you pointed it out for me.
dont get me wrong, you are a cool guy and i like you, but...well, never mind.
how was it pointless repetition? if anything, your response was pointless repetition. you said maybe he disappeared. i said it wasnt in the movie. you said it was a good lead. i agreed, but the fact that it wasnt in the movie makes it an unreliable lead at best. whats the problem?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
all i am saying is if you and the other mods are gonna enforce rules here, you should follow them yourselves. lead by example. you and i had a similar conversation last year about...what was it? qui gon waiting for obi wan during the darth maul duel, i think. anyway, i wasnt familiar with the whole CANON thing, so you pointed it out for me.
dont get me wrong, you are a cool guy and i like you, but...well, never mind.
how was it pointless repetition? if anything, your response was pointless repetition. you said maybe he disappeared. i said it wasnt in the movie. you said it was a good lead. i agreed, but the fact that it wasnt in the movie makes it an unreliable lead at best. whats the problem?
No, the repetition was yours. I said it looked very likely that Vader disappeared. When that was queried, I said that the reason it is not certain is precisely because it was not on film. However, every official response from Lucasfilm said he did. If you would trouble yourself to check the canon thread, it is clearly stated that common sense dictates that we need VERY good reason to disbelieve something so officially stated. I did not say it was an undeniable fact. I said it was very likely.
And then you simply repeated some of the information I just gave, as if I had not given it. Pointless repetition.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, the repetition was yours. I said it looked very likely that Vader disappeared. When that was queried, I said that the reason it is not certain is precisely because it was not on film. However, every official response from Lucasfilm said he did. If you would trouble yourself to check the canon thread, it is clearly stated that common sense dictates that we need VERY good reason to disbelieve something so officially stated. I did not say it was an undeniable fact. I said it was very likely.And then you simply repeated some of the information I just gave, as if I had not given it. Pointless repetition.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
all i am saying is if you and the other mods are gonna enforce rules here, you should follow them yourselves. lead by example. you and i had a similar conversation last year about...what was it? qui gon waiting for obi wan during the darth maul duel, i think. anyway, i wasnt familiar with the whole CANON thing, so you pointed it out for me.
dont get me wrong, you are a cool guy and i like you, but...well, never mind.
how was it pointless repetition? if anything, your response was pointless repetition. you said maybe he disappeared. i said it wasnt in the movie. you said it was a good lead. i agreed, but the fact that it wasnt in the movie makes it an unreliable lead at best. whats the problem?
Well said RJ.
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No, not well said at all.
This is absolutely ridiculous. I have always made it clear from the start that the only prohibition is against saying things CERTAINLY happened if not canon, or saying that things maybe happened when they are canonically CONTRADICTED. I never said anything which conveys the message you just stated- that is entirely misleading. Never did I say that only canon stuff could be submitted- that is ridiculous, it would rule out speculation. All that has been said is that only canonical stuff can be seen as undeniable fact. And again, these points are made very clear in the thread on canon, which I again urge people to read before making tiresome, needlessly aggravating and ill-thought out complaints like these. Official sources talking of the film's plot must be given good reason to be reasonably denied, even if not canon. Any guess or theory of yours was not even remotely official, and had no business being stated as anything even approaching fact or contradicting what is on-screen, and if you think I criticised it for neither of those I would be interested in seeing proof of that. When just about everyone important at Lucasfilm, and the official site itself, says Vader disappearred, then I have EVERY right saying that this is very likely, and unless you can canonically contradict it, no-one has any real call disputing that likelihood. So anyone who has the idea I am not playing by my own rules or applying a double standard is entirely mistaken.
Please do keep informed of clearly posted rules in future, and please do the courtesy of not mis-quoting me or mis-reading what I say, and please now return this thread to topic.
Fact is, Lucasfilm says Vader disappeared, and so that is very likely to be the truth of things. So we can either carry on this discussion from there, and bear in mind that any theory involving Vader not disappearing has to be seen as far less likely in light of that, or the point about legitimacy of sources can continue to be argued in which case I will have to close, as such rules are clearly posted already and debating them is not the point of the thread.
Incidentally, Pablo Hidalgo reported that George Lucas has also personally confirmed this.