Originally posted by Sirius77
Then if thor is above the surfer and superman is above thor, then I
suppose that means superman>surfer.I've thought of it as such...
I get how it works now. Thieves > Darkseid. Green Arrow > Thieves. Green Arrow > Darkseid.
Ninja > Dr Strange. Wolverine > Hell lot of ninjas. Wolverine > Hell lot of Dr Stranges.
Seriously, Logic 1, sirius77 0.
Originally posted by The Great GalenThor matches up against Surfer far better than Superman ever could. Just becuz i think superman can defeat Thor 51 percent of the time has no bearing on what the silver surfer could do to clark kent.
Well i mean it is kind of weird though, Ive always thought Thor was above SS and its pretty much agreed thats supes can beat Thor So it should mean Supes>SS, not to mention SS loses to Thanos while supes matches DS....I think that speaks for itself.
The Surfer's Power Loss: circa 1966 - 1969 (no retcon since)...
1. FF#50: Galactus removes the Surfer's "space-time powers" (first power reduction).
2. FF#72: the sonic shark "almost totally" drains the Surfer of his power (second and most profound power reduction).
3. FF#74: Surfer states (while blasting Galactus' Punisher) that his "...power is but a fraction of what it once had been..."
4. FF#76: Surfer states (while fighting the FF) that he "...no longer possesses the limitless powers of the cosmos..."
5. SS#2, Vol#1: Surfer states (while blasting a giant alien), "Once I might have felled you with a shrug! But, though I am less than before..." (This is just 2 issues before his first fight with Thor).
6. SS#4, Vol#1 (prior to fighting Thor): Surfer fights Loki to a draw. This implies that, at best, Loki could only have doubled Surfer's power in prepping him to fight Thor. This still puts Surfer way below his original power level.
Also please note when Thor is being attacked "without let" (the scan is a few posts back) until the Surfer separates him from his hammer. Thor is on the ground, crawling, and what does Baldy do? He hovers nearby and monologues. This is the pause which allows Thor to win. Imagine what might've been had the Surfer remained unrelenting in his attack.
((The next panel shows the Surfer -- in that very monologue -- stating how the "mallet's magic" (not Thor) is mightier than his own cosmic force. This would make sense. However, when the Surfer states in another panel that he's never felt "so powerful, so strangely invincible"; this, in light of the above, is writer's hype.))
Split, only because I usually find Thor fans to be a rational bunch. 😎
Originally posted by Mindship
The Surfer's Power Loss: circa 1966 - 1969 (no retcon since)...
1. FF#50: Galactus removes the Surfer's "space-time powers" (first power reduction).
2. FF#72: the sonic shark "almost totally" drains the Surfer of his power (second and most profound power reduction).
3. FF#74: Surfer states (while blasting Galactus' Punisher) that his "...power is but a fraction of what it once had been..."
4. FF#76: Surfer states (while fighting the FF) that he "...no longer possesses the limitless powers of the cosmos..."
5. SS#2, Vol#1: Surfer states (while blasting a giant alien), "Once I might have felled you with a shrug! But, though I am less than before..." (This is just 2 issues before his first fight with Thor).
6. SS#4, Vol#1 (prior to fighting Thor): Surfer fights Loki to a draw. This implies that, at best, Loki could only have doubled Surfer's power in prepping him to fight Thor. This still puts Surfer way below his original power level.
Doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Then if thor is above the surfer and superman is above thor, then I
suppose that means superman>surfer.I've thought of it as such...
A misapplication of the distributive property, it doesn't hold in cases like these. For example, a kryptonite pony is nothing compared to Thor in a cuddlewrestlematch. And Thor is not as tough as Superman, does it mean that Superman can cuddle as effectively with the pony.
Originally posted by seaapple
A misapplication of the distributive property, it doesn't hold in cases like these. For example, a kryptonite pony is nothing compared to Thor in a cuddlewrestlematch. And Thor is not as tough as Superman, does it mean that Superman can cuddle as effectively with the pony.
Transitive property. Not distributive.
Distributive, in these kinds of cases would be;
Character A > (B and C), so Character A > B and Character A > C.
Anywho.