As anything really certain?

Started by Peloquin12 pages

Originally posted by Fire
nah not like that raven

pelo A) who says we aint dead and these are just our spirits?
B) if someone unlocks the secret of immortality tomorrow then death aint certain either

Cool. I agree with you 100%.

Aww! (is knee hugged)

Well, can you give me a set example via which our sensory experience is false, Fire? Actually being in the Matrix would be one, for example.

Im pretty certain that my certanty that nothing is certain, is not certain ✅

actually yes there is one thing that is certin, and thats that I exist....I cant be certin about weather you people exist, or this world exists, or anything for that matter, the only thing that I can know is that I exist, the reason is that "I think" i know that i think, so therefore I am...

known as "I think therefore I am"

other then that there is nothing that i can be certin of....

I think that nothing is certain, things just happen - you can either believe you are in control, or you don't - in the end it doesn't matter!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Aww! (is knee hugged)

Well, can you give me a set example via which our sensory experience is false, Fire? Actually being in the Matrix would be one, for example.

think you kinda solved your own question there, I would have to think pretty hard. but I reckon it would be something like the matrix.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
actually yes there is one thing that is certin, and thats that I exist....I cant be certin about weather you people exist, or this world exists, or anything for that matter, the only thing that I can know is that I exist, the reason is that "I think" i know that i think, so therefore I am...

known as "I think therefore I am"

other then that there is nothing that i can be certin of....

Well as far as I know my descartes he said

"Cognito (ergo) Sum"
"In doubting I think, in doubting I am"

it's practicaly the same but the doubting part is an important part in Descartes his way of thinking.

Nothing in life is certain. That is why when we watch movies that show us the impossible ( i.e. Independence Day, The Day After Tomorrow, The Matrix, even Spiderman) We are so intrested by them. They show us that the impossible is possible, that nothing is certain, and that a minute from now everything could change.

Errr, afraid 'cogito ergo sum' doesn't have the word 'doubt' in it anywhere, Fire! 'cogito' is I think, 'ergo' is therefore, and 'sum' is I am. Simple as that.

Ok, so, in the Matrix example, do you think people would be capable of expressing the fact that their sensory experience is false?

well I dont speak latin ush, that's how they thought it to me (and storm and yerss) in philosophy class.

Still think that doubt is an important part

no I don't think ppl would be capable to do that.

Why not?

Well they might think it's fake, or believe it is fake but I don't think they can truly know it, let alone back it up with evidence.

I asked if they were capable of expressing it, not if they could prove it. That is rather what we are talking about, yes? Doubting things, not proving them wrong.

then yes I think they can express it

Ok. How?

euhm by speaking?

but Ush rather then answering all these questions one by one, what are you getting at?

I mean I dont mind debating or answering your questions, think is I don't have the time for it right now

Strikes me that we have until the end of time, not as if we are in class.

How can someone speak about something they have no comprehension of?

Anything can be uncertain. Things that people believe to be true or untrue - even if believed for centuries - could be disproven tomorrow. Science actually realizes this -- when you're doing a science experiment you say that your hypothesis was supported or not supported, not proven or disproven, because the next day someone else could do the exact same thing and get wildly different results. And this could go for everything, too, not just science. You could be absolutely certain that you live the perfectl life, and then the next day something could happen that could ruin everything for you. Even time itself is an uncertainty. I took an advanced physics class last year, and one thing that we learned about time is that it is not a constant. Depending on a number of factors (one of which being speed), time can flow differently. They've done experiments with this, and I actually found it to be quite interesting (I love physics, one of my favorite subjects). In that class we spent many days discussing various things, but for nearly everything we came to the conclusion that we can't be certain about the answer.

People speak of things they can't comprehend all the time...but people also have a tendency to try to ignore or condemn things they don't understand.

AND I'm done.

"People speak of things they can't comprehend all the time."

Actually, here I am contesting that. I would say they THINK they are, but they are not.

Meanwhile, TM, from a purely scientific point of view you are not quite right there. People have given some examples which are logically certain- like you can never get a prime number that is higher than all other prime numbers, for example.

If you are not applying sceptical philosophy, plenty of things are certain. On top of that, most things science relies on are so close to certain as makes no odds.