i know if the first several meetings carnage whooped on venom pretty badly, but venom always won except one time when spidey saved him. after the comics showed carnage off as being bad ass and after the fact that he was powerfull got across in the comics. venom never had trouble with carnage, infact it turned out that venom was spidey's saving grace a few times. I personally can't stand the spidey comics anymore, they'll do anything to try and shock you, but it's all been done before. Then during the whole scarlet spider series, the comics just got way to un believable and down right stupid