Originally posted by fever red
Mmm, I don't think the slashgirls see gay as "less" masculine. They're all about masculine; they want to EXPERIENCE it. INTIMATELY. The most insular world of men- man/man love. They want to put on Eddie or Spidey like a set of clothes, a costume, a disguise, and explore this paradigm. It's an objectifying process- as is very clear in Brock/Parker pairings, in which the charactorizations are really wrenched. I think most male readers who encounter slash register this objectification. They reject it, and mistake their discomfort as revulsion for the gay content (which they probably do experience, too).
I tell you, if this happens to Kasady... It would be the attempted subversion of the only undisputed bastion of male egocentric impenetrability*. Yes, that's the slashgirl's desire- to penetrate the man. But, first they objectify... how do you objectify the extreme of self-indulgence and me-first, me-only appetite?
And WHY? Why is objectification necessary, in our culture, before an admirer can feel free to get "intimate" with the desired person? Why are we that unprepared to manage conflict?
Well, objectifying Kasady... I suppose you could start by making him Red's "bus" as Marvel seems to intend...I don't really know, as I haven't read any of the series yet except posted snippets. But this is my impression.
Again, all excellent points.
I just totally do not understand this paradigm of needing to put on a character "like a costume" in order to be able to tolerate intimacy [at least as far as our own little personal desires go, oft' called fanfics... ha.] I think that what you've said is right on the money, that's probably exactly what they're thinking, ["I must become this person to experience him"] but.... huh?
As a 100% straight female I must say penetrating the object of my desires is the LAST thing on my mind. What?! And so when I write, I'm always writing from that POV: that a woman presented with an archetype of masculinity is going to want to be penetrated, not the other way around. Let's face it, most if not all of these Marvel men fanfics get written about are just that: archetypes of masculinity. These are extremely powerful and compelling men. And as I recall [I may be wrong on this] the real meaning of "brutal" is not the modern meaning we attatch to it, but... "non-feminine."
Why would anyone want to mess with a beautiful thing like that? Heh.
That "bus" thing ticks me off. It really does. Kasady is not a g*ddamn bus. If anything, he's an f-14 fighter-plane. Or he's the pilot, and the symbiote is the plane. He's lethal force on two legs. The "Master of Death" is not a frikkin' bus - kicks in the shins to Marvel over this issue.
I have made a decision: I'm shelving Atropos for now and I'll clear my head with this Brock/Patricia thing, and then perhaps go back. As soon as I get my hands on Venom #18 I'll start thinking of exactly how to make this happen.
SWINGS away in a huff, but yeah...
And rightly so. A good huff is often just the thing, like a good huff'n'puff...
Hee, I like Atropos, but as there's no sym action there yet I'll definitely relish seeing Patricia get Brocked. (who am I to talk, my Kasady's STILL "naked" as the day he was born "evil-" but I will work on that today and hopefully get to the sym fun over this week)
Yeah, being called a bus is low, taking it is lower, and calling yourself one has got to be the lowest... NOT IN CHARACTOR. Kasady doesn't let sh!t bring him to his knees; he talks big, and this isn't talking big; its a blind verbal stab at defiance from a position of disempowerment... if that's how they're gonna present him then we deserve an explanation of how he got there.
GRAAAGHHHH. MARVEL. I wish you'd justify what you've brought to the table! I'll eat what I don't like ONLY if I see there's some meat to it, some substance...
But even if I won't swallow this story, I'll still buy the trade for the pictures. I'll marker out the dialogue! Yes, that's what I'll do! Hoo-ha! I'm an editor!
Originally posted by fever red
Hee, I like Atropos, but as there's no sym action there yet I'll definitely relish seeing Patricia get Brocked. (who am I to talk, my Kasady's STILL "naked" as the day he was born "evil-" but I will work on that today and hopefully get to the sym fun over this week)
"Brocked!" I love that! LOL [looking forward to seeing what Kasady does next...]
Yeah, being called a bus is low, taking it is lower, and calling yourself one has got to be the lowest... NOT IN CHARACTOR. Kasady doesn't let sh!t bring him to his knees; he talks big, and this isn't talking big; its a blind verbal stab at defiance from a position of disempowerment... if that's how they're gonna present him then we deserve an explanation of how he got there.
GRAAAGHHHH. MARVEL. I wish you'd justify what you've brought to the table! I'll eat what I don't like ONLY if I see there's some meat to it, some substance...
But even if I won't swallow this story, I'll still buy the trade for the pictures. I'll marker out the dialogue! Yes, that's what I'll do! Hoo-ha! I'm an editor!
Yet more proof that Great Minds Think Alike. I wish these writers would do some research before they start writing, so they'll know what's credible or not. I guess we're lucky Felicia didn't end up wearing the new symbiote - I would not put it at all past them to pull a stunt like that.
I may do some "editing" with that TPB myself - sounds like a plan. [fume!] If the art were not so great in this I'd be a lot madder than I am. Pretty pictures just totally disarm me, what can I say?
Originally posted by grey fox
I HAVE HERE (what i think should be) VENOMS THEME MUSICAND I HAVE (what i also think should be) SYMBIOTICA'S AND FEVER REDS'S THEME MUSIC (the ultiamte symbiote partners in crime)
(ANYONE AGREE, DISAGREE TELL ME)
Originally posted by grey fox
ohh god just had a brainstorm what im about to write next is humorous and should only be used for the comic series venom : the hunger"Well hello there little boy.
Now don't be shy.
Step right up, I'm a reasonable guy.
Don't be frightened by the look in my eye.
I'm just your average evil symbiote from outta the sky.
Well, I'm just a little shy and scared in this place
I'm just a fish outaa water from outer space
You can see that the trip has left me tired and drained
So why don't you be a pal...And bring me some BRAINS!
Go down to your neighbor's place
See the dull expression on his face
you'd be doing him a favor if you brought him to me
He's not using his brain he's just watching TV!
Go down to Mr. McGee's
He hasn't had a thought since '43.
His brain is the portrait of atrophy.
He ain't using it, why not give it to me?
Maybe someone *cough fever* should open up a song writing contest that runs a week and at the end of the week, open a poll to which is the best song. Somethin like only 2 entrees or somethin, its up to WHOEVER STARTS IT *COUGH cough cough*
I've never started a thread, and I'm not starting now! I like to mooch. As I see it, establish symbiotic relationships. Heh.
Let all the rest "innovate."
And something's going round.
Those nasty coughs. Bluwe, how's your forehead? Hot? I'm concerned. I thought I heard you say fever! Those can be dangerous.
WHERE'S BAD S? Mom, what do you make of Kasady as a "bus?!"
Mom, make Marvel play nice!