or take everything you own, tie you up to a chair, rape your wife, and murder your children, then pistol whip you for crying while you watched it all.
There's no telling what a person's motive is when they enter your house. It's amazing that you would believe with a gun you would get shot, and without a gun you could magically scare them away. How about you see an intruder in your house that's armed and shoot the SOB for trespassing.
Sure taking someone's life is wrong, but if they got a gun and you got a gun....who's it going to be, you or him?
Cyke> Keep a key hidden in a Hide-a-key. That gives you access to your safe or gun case. Then in that rack have another key to access a loaded clip. but hide that key well withing the gun case. You could have that thing assembled in 20 seconds....not 20 minutes.
Originally posted by LinkaliciousI never said it wouldn't get you shot, but someone entering your house with a gun with the intent of using it is probably more likely to shoot you quicker than you shoot them, people entering a house with a gun to make them feel brave may not actually want to use it and would only do so if they themselves feel threated, sure you may be able to get the first shot off, but have you ever shot anyone, do you think you would be able to do so easily?
or take everything you own, tie you up to a chair, rape your wife, and murder your children, then pistol whip you for crying while you watched it all.There's no telling what a person's motive is when they enter your house. It's amazing that you would believe with a gun you would get shot, and without a gun you could magically scare them away. How about you see an intruder in your house that's armed and shoot the SOB for trespassing.
Sure taking someone's life is wrong, but if they got a gun and you got a gun....who's it going to be, you or him?
Cyke> Keep a key hidden in a Hide-a-key. That gives you access to your safe or gun case. Then in that rack have another key to access a loaded clip. but hide that key well withing the gun case. You could have that thing assembled in 20 seconds....not 20 minutes.
If everyone followed the rules and trends of a society, then YES there would be safer alternatives. But everyone doesn't.
They made this law because back in the 1700s-1800s people could just walk in your house and take over. Now you CAN call the cops, but who's to say they won't shoot you before you get that chance?
or before the cops come...
Originally posted by Linkalicious
or take everything you own, tie you up to a chair, rape your wife, and murder your children, then pistol whip you for crying while you watched it all.There's no telling what a person's motive is when they enter your house. It's amazing that you would believe with a gun you would get shot, and without a gun you could magically scare them away. How about you see an intruder in your house that's armed and shoot the SOB for trespassing.
Sure taking someone's life is wrong, but if they got a gun and you got a gun....who's it going to be, you or him?
Cyke> Keep a key hidden in a Hide-a-key. That gives you access to your safe or gun case. Then in that rack have another key to access a loaded clip. but hide that key well withing the gun case. You could have that thing assembled in 20 seconds....not 20 minutes.
But how often is this scenario going to happen? Not very often. It's also even less likely that he'll be there with the intent to harm you. It's even less likely that your gun would end up protecting you as opposed to just scaring the guy and makign him pull out his gun that he was prepared not to use and shoot you for scaring him. What is likely to happen, is that you'll choke when it comes down to it. You will be half asleep, trying to asemble a gun as quick as possible because there is a possibly armed person in your house who may or may not want to rape your loved ones. You're very likely to accidentally leave the safety on, or forget where you stashed your key to the gun, or fumble with the ammo trying to load the gun before he gets to your bedroom.
Link, we both live in Huntington Beach, one of the safest cities in America, you know there is practically a 0% percent chance of anything like you described happening here. And thus it is simply unecessary to even own a gun in this city. However, that's not the point.
The fact is this - A gun is more likely to shoot a family member or friend then an intruder. Either by a child finding it, or an intruder breaking into your house, finding your gun, and then using it against you. Or by some other accident.
If you take all the necessary precautions then I have no problem with you owning a gun, however, surely you will agree that it is far to easy for any idiot to get a gun just because it's his "right" to own one.
Originally posted by Corran
I never said it wouldn't get you shot, but someone entering your house with a gun with the intent of using it is probably more likely to shoot you quicker than you shoot them, people entering a house with a gun to make them feel brave may not actually want to use it and would only do so if they themselves feel threated, sure you may be able to get the first shot off, but have you ever shot anyone, do you think you would be able to do so easily?
Sorry to sound so rude, but how the hell would you know the intruder's intentions? By looking at his face to see if he's the type of person who just wants the gun for the scare factor? What are you gonna do, ask him if he's actually intending to shoot anyone, or if holding a firearm simply makes him feel a little better? I sure as hell wouldn't. If some cheeky shit came into my home, where my innocent kids were asleep, I'd have a gun in his face before you could say "better safe than sorry"!
You don't know the intentions, but someone breaking into you house looking to steal things as a rule won't be looking to kill someone, but if you confront them with a gun, it's more likely that you will antagonise the situation. Someone looking to break into your house to kill or harm you with a gun, is more likely to have the guts to pull the triggger a lot faster than you can react. so having the gun in the property for protection far outweighs the dangers of your teenage child thinking he or she is cool with their friends and stealing the gun to show off, what dangers are you putting your children and their friends in at that point?
Originally posted by Corran
I never said it wouldn't get you shot, but someone entering your house with a gun with the intent of using it is probably more likely to shoot you quicker than you shoot them, people entering a house with a gun to make them feel brave may not actually want to use it and would only do so if they themselves feel threated, sure you may be able to get the first shot off, but have you ever shot anyone, do you think you would be able to do so easily?
you don't get the chance to do psychoanalysis with intruders.
I assume anyone that wants to enter my house while I'm asleep is nothing but a hostile threat to me and my family. I'd most definitly be able to put a bullet in someone if I even had the slightest thought that they might hurt my wife or children.
honestly Corran...you have both. If someone broke into your house, and you had the slightest feeling that they might be after the ones you love....would shooting that person be THAT difficult?
Originally posted by Corran
You don't know the intentions, but someone breaking into you house looking to steal things as a rule won't be looking to kill someone, but if you confront them with a gun, it's more likely that you will antagonise the situation. Someone looking to break into your house to kill or harm you with a gun, is more likely to have the guts to pull the triggger a lot faster than you can react. so having the gun in the property for protection far outweighs the dangers of your teenage child thinking he or she is cool with their friends and stealing the gun to show off, what dangers are you putting your children and their friends in at that point?
I totally agree with Link. At this moment in time, whilst writing on KMC, you may think that you wouldn't be able to do it, that you'd rather not have guns around. But how can you possibly say that if you've never actually been in that situation? I'd like to think that I'd be able to put a bullet in some intruder if it meant saving the lives of my family, my family who had done not a thing to deserve to die at the hands of someone they did not know. Someone who thinks they have the right to break in and steal, armed and dangerous. Regardless of whether the intention to harm was there, I wouldn't be able to take that risk. And how do you know that the intruder would not "as a rule" be looking to harm? You cannot possibly know that, so why would you even hesitate? It only takes a second.
I'm all for shooting intruders. But since I most likely won't be robbed or raped in the town I live in, it simply isn't worth the possibility of a child finding the gun and accidentally shooting himself.
Link, don't you think it's too easy for any idiot to get a gun? Even people who are for guns must agree with this.
Neither of us are disagreeing BF, but can you say that you would rather have no protection just because of the morons out there who might get hold of a gun? If someone in your family were to be shot by an intruder, as unlikely as that may be where you live, would you be able to justify not having protected them by saying "I couldn't allow a gun coz any idiot could do something silly"?
oh most certainly. Getting guns isn't the problem though. It's teaching proper usage and safety with a gun....that's the problem.
It takes 2 weeks, i think it should take bare minimum 6 months worth of schooling and training.
Unregistered guns....well, EVERY country has those. It's just the way the world is.
Yes I could Syren.
On the other hand, if you never got any intruders in your house, but you owned a gun and your kid killed himself with it. Would you be able to justify your child being dead because you felt the need to protect yourself from something that probably will never happen, and that probably wouldn't even protect you from that event in the first place?
Yes I could justify it.
However, I COULDN'T justify owning a gun in my household without teaching my son the dangers of using a gun, and of course, without a means of keeping that gun out of my children's hands. Besides...in your scenario...where do people who like to go hunting fit in? Or is hunting now unjustifiable too?