Just for clarity, I will make a list of people who factualy should not have kids.
-Drug Adicts: If they want to have kids, they should have to give up the drugs. You don't want to do that? Tough shit, then you don't really want kids that badly, no good will come of it.
Rapists/child molesters/murderers: As soon as you commit this crime, you should have to get an operation that destroys any chance of ever having a child. Don't like it? Don't kill/rape/molest people.
Someone who doesn't have the income necessary to take care of kids- As I said, poor people who make 300 dollars a week should not have 9 kids. Like it or not, kids are expensive and you need money for food/clothing/toys/medicine ect. If these people have too many kids, the children should just be taken away and put into a foster home that can take care of them.
That's all I can think of as of now. None of these people should be having children obviously.
Originally posted by BackFire
Just for clarity, I will make a list of people who factualy should not have kids.-Drug Adicts: If they want to have kids, they should have to give up the drugs. You don't want to do that? Tough shit, then you don't really want kids that badly, no good will come of it.
Rapists/child molesters/murderers: As soon as you commit this crime, you should have to get an operation that destroys any chance of ever having a child. Don't like it? Don't kill/rape/molest people.
Someone who doesn't have the income necessary to take care of kids- As I said, poor people who make 300 dollars a week should not have 9 kids. Like it or not, kids are expensive and you need money for food/clothing/toys/medicine ect. If these people have too many kids, the children should just be taken away and put into a foster home that can take care of them.
That's all I can think of as of now. None of these people should be having children obviously.
I understand what you are sayign, but how exactly are you gonna stop those people from having children?
Government doesnt know where all the drug addicts are, and rapists/child molesters usually commit those crimes after tey had some kids or against their own kids *shudder* as well as poor people, you cant exactly stop them from having children.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I understand what you are sayign, but how exactly are you gonna stop those people from having children?Government doesnt know where all the drug addicts are, and rapists/child molesters usually commit those crimes after tey had some kids or against their own kids *shudder* as well as poor people, you cant exactly stop them from having children.
One simple word: Abortion. Or, if it's to late for that by the time it is found out that these people are pregnant, then forced adoption right after birth is the way to go.
I"m also aware that the government can't know where every drug addict is. However, there are many who are known, and these people shouldn't be allowed to have kids, at least untill they have gone to the trouble to give up drugs all together.
As far as the rapists/muderes/molestors go, I'm also aware that not all of them will commit a crime before they have kids, but there are some that do. And after they get ouf of prison, (assuming they will) they should not be able to ever have kids during their life.
Finally, for the poor people, it would be handled much like it's handled today, if they have to many kids for their own good, then the kids are taken away to a foster home. People need to know their limitations.
Of course, all these people not having children is in childrens interest, however, abortion would not go down well, especially not in USA 😖
Besides, people would complain about forced abortion 😖 killing their children...its so complicated, and i think the approach of having a government organisations like NSPCC(in uk) is the best way to go about it...till there is a better solution.
Originally posted by BackFireI see you're all for trusting the rehab systems!
As far as the rapists/muderes/molestors go, I'm also aware that not all of them will commit a crime before they have kids, but there are some that do. And after they get ouf of prison, (assuming they will) they should not be able to ever have kids during their life.
Silver Tears> What do you mean "it's a right like everything else"? What "everything else"?
Lil Bitchiness> I have to agree with BF, again. ABortion or forced adoption. If experienced psychologists and social-workers are asked to interview all expecting couples who - say - submit a bloodtest or something - it should be fairly easy to weed out those who should not have children.
No one is saying mandatory sterilisation. People may change. I had an abortion at age 19. We were young and sometimes young people are foolish. I went on to got a good education, and am now married (to a completely different guy) and have a great job. I wouldn't have been able to handle the responsibility of taking care of a small new human being back then.
Babies are not toys, they're not the thing that should make addicted parents quit their drugs, nor give people a meaning with their lives.
Originally posted by BackFire
One simple word: Abortion. Or, if it's to late for that by the time it is found out that these people are pregnant, then forced adoption right after birth is the way to go.
That might scare many addicted women away from seeking help. If society responds them with a "get an abortion, then we'll help you", they'd probably just stay away from the hospital, isolating themselves even more, maybe even giving birth in secret. These are women who have probably been let down loads of times before in their lives. They need support and guidance. A forced abortion must be the ultimate way to humiliate them yet again.
Omega: I agree with you. A child's not a toy and shouldn't be the parent's instrument for a better life. Still, forcing people to have an abortion might effect them in a very bad way, just messing them up even more. Besides, where will the limit be? This might create a slide.
I never said i disagreed with the abortion, nor with anything BF said, i was questioning it and what i said is that there is a unlikely chance that any time soon this kind of practice you all are talking about is gonna be accepted.
Line> I absolutely agree with you. The ultimate humiliation indeed.
If you start making this kind of law, where will it stop...who will make a decision as to who is a fit mother and who isnt, it isnt all that simple and it would create a slide indeed. This would lead to laws like no one can have a sex without liecence and similar stupidity. How about emotionaly destroying a women.....forced abortion does not sound right!
Besides, think of a scenario of a forced abortion? Seriously now, imagine woman kicking and screeming being dragged to hospital to take her baby away, because government decided she isnt fit to have one.
I mean is that if you can do basically anything in modern society, you should be allowed to have children if that is ultimately your choice.
If you are allowed to seak your mind, or practise any religion, than you should be allowed to have a child, if you have an intention in caring for the child. If not, the child is better off at a foster home or even a group home.
Originally posted by silver_tears
I mean is that if you can do basically anything in modern society, you should be allowed to have children if that is ultimately your choice.If you are allowed to seak your mind, or practise any religion, than you should be allowed to have a child, if you have an intention in caring for the child. If not, the child is better off at a foster home or even a group home.
There's still a lot of thing's one cannot do in modern society, beating, raping, molesting being some of them. And even though there ARE many things we CAN do, I don't see why this should make it logical that having a child would automatically be one of them?
I can't see the connection between the right to practice any religion of your own choice and having a child? Religion's only about you yourself. With a child , you do bring someone else into the picture.
I don't think many people choose to have a child without intending to care about them. The problem is, wether they're capable of it?
Me neither. Forced adoption, maybe, if the mother's incapable of taking care of the child (though exactly when she is that can be difficult to decide.) I also believe that the social services sometimes should act faster. At least here in Denmark many children have been interviewed and uttered the wish to have been removed from their home before they were, as well as they felt the social services weren't taking them seriously when they seeked help.