Moral issues on the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Sorry link but I really dont get you in this thing.

Sorry but how I read "*It sent a message to the rest of the world what happens when you bring war to the front door of the US." was "anyone who starts a war with the US will get nuked."

If you ment it differently plz explain!

Pearl Harbour happened nearly 4 years before the bombing sorry but if the nukes are retribution for that that's such a load of crap I think almost all ppl how died in pearl harbour were militairy how many innocent ppl died in the A-bombings? Hiroshima and Nagasaki had little importance as militairy targets while Hawaii was the home of the entire south pacific fleet which made it a huge militairy target.

Well ofcourse the US did the job with the minimum amount of American casualties but they had no regard for all the civilian life they destroyed.

not gonna reply on half this post cause it would lead to politics

Originally posted by Linkalicious

Of course none of those reasons make it right for the US to drop the bomb. I didn't say it was the right thing to do. I basically am of the belief that someone had to do it sooner or later and I'm glad it was us doing it to them rather than them doing it to us.

You know something Link! I wish the USA would have NEVER enter WWII! They shoulda let the Nazis and the French and also the British settle their own war! The USA should remain neutral.

What i mean by that comment was this...

When the US gets into a war with another country, they have always mobilized their army and brought the war to that country. United States soil has been attacked one time by an organized military...and that country just so happened to have gotten nuked as a result of their initial action. NO i don't think the US would repeat that action because now they have seen the full extent of the destruction caused by a nuke, but at the time....a clear message had to be sent...and sent it was.

Time will tell if the US would take similar drastic actions if they are attacked again, but so far....60 years after the fact, no one has come to the US to mess with the bull because they are afraid to get the horns.

And how is it that the Japanese civilians are considered any more innocent than the US military men that were attacked at Pearl Harbor? Did I miss some agressive act by the United States against Japan in my history book? I was pretty damn sure the United States didn't want anything to do with that war at the time.

This isn't the 1700s. War isn't for gentlemen anymore...it's for people who are willing to do their job and follow orders. Both cities that got nuked had military facilities that did feel the effect of the bomb. It's not like the United States was so inhumane as to drop it strictly on civilians without remorse.

Ex. Northrop Gruman (formerly TRW) is a facility that contractually works for the United States government helping them create those SAM sites that shoot down missles in the sky. It also just so happens to be in near the heart of Los Angeles. N.G. works directly with the US military, but they are civilians. Now if the US got into a war and someone destroyed that building....what would those employees be considered?? innocent victims? or are they not innocent because they work with the government which commands the military?

Originally posted by WindDancer
You know something Link! I wish the USA would have NEVER enter WWII! They shoulda let the Nazis and the French and also the British settle their own war! The USA should remain neutral.

Didn't you watch Lord of the Rings?

Wouldn't that be like if Rohan didn't come to Gondor's aid?

Damned if I'd let Sauron (Hitler) take over the world of man...without the US doing their part.

Even if Europeans do nothing but point the finger at the US and tell them how wrong they were. (like the Elves do to man) When they sit down and quit their b!tching for 5 minutes...they'll realize they couldn't have done it without us.

Yeah, but then think about it. USA doesn't enter the war then there is no reason to fight agains't Japan. Which means less likely to drop the bomb on them. Besides some people belive that the Eastern front (USSR) were advancing fast. The U.S. shoulda stay out! But then again the world would still blame them for not entering. Is only a big What if?

If the USA would have not enter the WWII then the whole outcome would have been Nazis vs. Communists. The USA should let the Soviets impose the whole Steel Curtain on Europe after WWII.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
*It sent a message to the rest of the world what happens when you bring war to the front door of the US.

Did it really, now? Cos i dont see people trembeling, i see people flying plains into your bulidings.

Oh dear, you guys have really taken Link's comments to heart.

I think what the extremely patriotic guy was basically trying to say was that it boiled down to "kill or be killed" and in the circumstances, I don't think compromise came into it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Did it really, now? Cos i dont see people trembeling, i see people flying plains into your bulidings.

Excellent selective reading you used there to make your point.

Now please go back to my post where i state. "NO ORGANIZED MILITARY" will mess with us.

13 Terrorist stealing planes isn't exactly what I was talking about. I was talking about a legitament MILITARY threat.

Originally posted by Syren
Oh dear, you guys have really taken Link's comments to heart.

I think what the extremely patriotic guy was basically trying to say was that it boiled down to "kill or be killed" and in the circumstances, I don't think compromise came into it.

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but doesn't war basically come down to just that...

Kill or be killed.

I guess I neglected the chapter of the book where i was supposed to feel bad for the person i'm pointing a gun at.

Uh, did I not just back you up Brent? Or did you read me wrong.......

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Did it really, now? Cos i dont see people trembeling, i see people flying plains into your bulidings.

And as true as that comment may seem at first glance, it's a little below the belt. I'm British and even I sighed when reading it, sorry Lil.......

oh no you totally backed me. Except for calling me patriotic. I don't like to consider myself that, I'm just sick of how Europeans (usually British) on this site seem to know what's best for everyone when they don't even know what's best for themselves.

aren't you the people that listened to rulers for thousands of years based on blood line instead of qualifications?

much love to ya Syren.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Excellent selective reading you used there to make your point.

Now please go back to my post where i state. "NO ORGANIZED MILITARY" will mess with us.

13 Terrorist stealing planes isn't exactly what I was talking about. I was talking about a legitament MILITARY threat.

OH please!

Do re-read what you yourself wrote...FFS!

*It sent a message to the rest of the world what happens when you bring war to the front door of the US.

I think the key phrase there being ''the rest of the world''.

Like I said...i dont see anyone trembeling at US's feet....

Originally posted by Syren
And as true as that comment may seem at first glance, it's a little below the belt. I'm British and even I sighed when reading it, sorry Lil.......

What are you implying?

Grrr, chill it you guys, talk like adults talking about adult topics etc.

Everyone has opinions, just listen and learn......

Originally posted by Syren
Grrr, chill it you guys, talk like adults talking about adult topics etc.

Everyone has opinions, just listen and learn......

I agree with Syren on this. Let's just all calm down and let's drop the politics (Which I myself I'm guilty of bringing that up)

Let's just go back at blaming the Scientist for building the A-bomb. j/k

I read somewhere about one of the scientist working on a bomb, and i saw a program on it, and it was super interesting, but i cant really remember it 😖

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What are you implying?

*takes step backwards*

Isn't it kind of obvious?

Read what you wrote, compared to most of your posts it seemed a little childish, to say the least, to resort to "I don't see anyone trembling, all I see is people flying planes into your buildings" or whatever it was you wrote. A tad crass Lils, had you been there when it occured I doubt you'd be so quick to use that as one of your arguments.......

And the above post was not meant to get anyone's back up, I simply was a little surprised that Milla had to resort to such a comment....

Originally posted by Syren
*takes step backwards*

Isn't it kind of obvious?

Read what you wrote, compared to most of your posts it seemed a little childish, to say the least, to resort to "I don't see anyone trembling, all I see is people flying planes into your buildings" or whatever it was you wrote. A tad crass Lils, had you been there when it occured I doubt you'd be so quick to use that as one of your arguments.......

I answered to Link's post of ''we will nuke anyone who attacks america'' type thing.
It was a response. Neither Japan or America or anyone else are better than each other.

ALL of them kill civilians.