i agree that haruhi just seems to not want to agree with sdk being that fast for whatever his personal reasons are. and it's obvious he doesn't know sdk. genbu seals someone's soul, and returns that to nothingness
kyo's nuke is quite impressive itself though not planet busting. most dbz concentrated ki blasts are similar. and kyo doesnt need to power up at all to fire it off or be aiming it at someone.
as for suzaku
not that it will help judge speed at all, or help understand the techniques. but before you ask, suzaku is a move that can't die. if destroyed it returns with it's user, so not many ppl of any universe can't counter it.
it's kind of sad since there's no way you can really debate seriously without understanding it.
Originally posted by lightness
i agree that haruhi just seems to not want to agree with sdk being that fast for whatever his personal reasons are. and it's obvious he doesn't know sdk. genbu seals someone's soul, and returns that to nothingness
[/kyo's nuke is quite impressive itself though not planet busting. most dbz concentrated ki blasts are similar. and kyo doesnt need to power up at all to fire it off or be aiming it at someone.
as for suzaku
not that it will help judge speed at all, or help understand the techniques. but before you ask, suzaku is a move that can't die. if destroyed it returns with it's user, so not many ppl of any universe can't counter it.
it's kind of sad since there's no way you can really debate seriously without understanding it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
whats your point?
Sorry, my electricity suddenly went out last night when I was replying.
Anyways...
i agree that haruhi just seems to not want to agree with sdk being that fast for whatever his personal reasons are. and it's obvious he doesn't know sdk. genbu seals someone's soul, and returns that to nothingness
*sigh* Don't be petty and call it a personal thing. I told you I don't know anything about SDK, which is why you need to prove to me why certain characters in the manga are FTL. And as I've said before, I don't believe in just statements. Those things I take like a grain of salt. It's not about whether or not I want to believe or not believe. It's just that you need to give me some form of evidence about your claim, until then it's just hyperbole. That would be like me going into a court of law w/out any evidence, and only w/ "But he said he was innocent!" It was hardly unreasonable that I ask for something provable.
kyo's nuke is quite impressive itself though not planet busting. most dbz concentrated ki blasts are similar. and kyo doesnt need to power up at all to fire it off or be aiming it at someone.
That's pretty good. But can Kyo fire off nuke-like blasts repeatedly, one after another w/out discretion like the DBZ-senshi have shown they can?
not that it will help judge speed at all, or help understand the techniques. but before you ask, suzaku is a move that can't die. if destroyed it returns with it's user, so not many ppl of any universe can't counter it.
Many people in the "normal human" category or everybody in any universe?
it's kind of sad since there's no way you can really debate seriously without understanding it.
Which is why the burden of proof is on you. You're the one presenting Kyos case. All I'm going is listening and asking for some proof.
i managed to get one person to accpet it now, but i'm not sure if haruhi will. more reference to light speed. sasuke's techniques are lightning based and he wasn't able to compete with sdk's high level untill pretty late in the manga, and never reaches anything close to crimson king/kyo's level.
The beam is a light-speed attacks, evidently. That doesn't make the character (Hishigi, Kyo, Crimson King) FTL themselves. You've proven nothing.. Give me some proof of a characters MOVEMENT that shows FTL-like speed.
Originally posted by Haruhi
The beam is a light-speed attacks, evidently. That doesn't make the character (Hishigi, Kyo, Crimson King) FTL themselves. You've proven nothing.. Give me some proof of a characters MOVEMENT that shows FTL-like speed.
obviously it doesn't prove that the character can go at such speed under his own power but this is a most powerful character thread if he can attack at lightspeed thats all that really matters.
as for multiple nuke blasts from DBZ characters well that Suzaku looks like it would hurt a hell of a lot more
plus Endless says it keeps coming back if thats true (and I assume it is) its like a nuke blasts that keeps hitting until the target is dead (potentiall dozens of times)
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
obviously it doesn't prove that the character can go at such speed under his own power but this is a most powerful character thread if he can attack at lightspeed thats all that really matters.
Since we give the beam SoL speed, then I guess we can also give DBZ ki blasts the same speed. In which case, DBZ-senshi still prove to be more powerful as they can fire off massive shots endlessly.
as for multiple nuke blasts from DBZ characters well that Suzaku looks like it would hurt a hell of a lot more
"Looks like it'll hurt more" doesn't make it more powerful. DBZ shots have taken out entire bodies of water, mountains and cities in mere moments. They are *constantly* firing off crater-making blasts, w/minescule effort and sometimes unintentionally.
plus Endless says it keeps coming back if thats true (and I assume it is) its like a nuke blasts that keeps hitting until the target is dead (potentiall dozens of times)
Characters like SSJ3 Goku/Gotenks, Mystic Gohan, and Buu (who can not only take it, but regenerate) are capable of taking powerful shots like a pea shooter, so I doubt it really matters how many times it hits them. Plus, if the Z-senshi kills the user, then it's not going to pose much threat, is it? That's not mentioning non-canon characters like SSJ4 Gogeta and Buroli.
Going back to "Who's more powerful," as it stands, DBZ is generally on a higher power scale than SDK.
I'd need to know how the technique works to comment on it.
Generally speaking, if it requires any prep-time at all, or needs to be connected or needs something like chanting, I'm not seeing it work anytime soon.
The only bonafide IK-user that I acknowledge to be stronger than DBZ-senshi is Hellmaster Phibrizzo, who can IK you just by breaking tiny little marbles with his fingers. And blitzing him would do no good, because he can teleport into the astral realm, then IK the victim comfortably.
No big deal. I've had this same conversation on other forums.
In the end, SDK still loses.
Read these if you're interested in more SDK VS
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=152683
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=150620
Humm . . . seems like people gang up on SDK
but still they make good points a lot of people could probably take out Kyo but that doesn't mean hes not FTL
anyway this irritates me since Kyo is clearly not the strongest anime character so he has no place on this thread
I will now return to obssessibly improving (hopefully) on my list
Greatest
God: Lord of Nightmares
RealityWarper(non-god): Yuki Nagato
Genius: Washu
Magical Gril: Sailor Galaxia
Sorcerer: Lina Inverse
Mech: Ideon
Human Warrior: Guts
Superpowered Warrior: Z
Speedster: Goku (instant transmission kinda sums it up)
Gunslinger: Vash the Stampede
Creepyness: I think its between Asakura (get Kyon to prove he should die before she attacks him), Orochimaru (just plain creepy), Johan Liebert (charismatic psychopath) but I'm usually wrong
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Humm . . . seems like people gang up on SDKbut still they make good points a lot of people could probably take out Kyo but that doesn't mean hes not FTL
But nobody's proved that he's FTL, so it's generally not considered in a VS thing. And the reason people gang up on them is because the resident SDK fanboys are idiots that fanwank the characters.
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Tetsuo currently has the power of a universe.... I'd say he's pretty damn powerful.
And LoN creates gods that are capable of destroying universes out of boredom, sometimes not realizing it.