Originally posted by Darth Revan
I know I just bred two chickens, but it shows that life, despite being incredibly complex, doesn't require some divine being to create. No, I couldn't take a life form, disassemble it, and rebuild it accurately, because that's literally impossible for a person to do, or at least in a reasonable amount of time. That doesn't prove I need a god to do it. Fact: Life is complex. Interpretation: Therefore, God must have created it. Interpretation: It evolved slowly over billions of years from the first, single-celled organism.
That's because the original data to procreate was put into the rooster and the chicken, and the way you guys talk about evolution, it sounds like it could only work with a miracle or random chance, there is no base to that tree, there is just the branches, and branches dont make a tree stand up.
also the 2 interpretation, one has a beginning, the other is just there, that's one problem you got there, and explosion doesn't make life, we don't explode someone's heart to make them live, we don't explode a person and called it surgery. So what's the point of your beginning?
Fact: Life is complex.
Interpretation: Therefore, God must have created it.
Interpretation: It evolved slowly over billions of years from the first, single-celled organism.
Well, Forcizzle, who created God? And why didn’t he start working until 6000 years ago. That explanation ALSO doesn’t have a real beginning, because it doesn’t answer where God came from.
Life is a chain of events from the first elements ->supernovaes->heavier elements->supernoaves->Solar system->Amino acids->Water->Chemical Thermal vents->Life.
P.S.: The egg still came first!
where'd he come from? nowhere, he's always been there and there know telling how long he was here until he started creating the universe, and that's one part i haven't found in the Bible yet, but i do know that he has always been here, and will always be here i.e. Alpha and Omega, and that's really all i can say.
God came from nowhere and has always been there? Then why didn’t he start acting until 6000 years ago?
How do YOU know he’s always been there?
How can light from stars more distant than 6000 light-years reach us?
Why does all science point to a 13,6 billion year old Universe? ¨
How come YOU know more than hundreds of years of great scientists working hard?
P.S.: The egg STILL came first.
Darth> Yes! Let's get 'im. I'm sure it's TF in disguise... ! 😉
That's what annoyes me most about religious fanatics. That they scoff at thousands of scientists who've worked hard through the ages, made mistakes, corrected them, tested, experimented, thought and calculated...
To - among things - give us a lot of the tech we have today.
Disbelieve Einstein is to say GPS is crap. If GPS works, then Einstein is right...
Originally posted by The Omega
God came from nowhere and has always been there? Then why didn’t he start acting until 6000 years ago?
How do YOU know he’s always been there?
How can light from stars more distant than 6000 light-years reach us?
Why does all science point to a 13,6 billion year old Universe? ¨
How come YOU know more than hundreds of years of great scientists working hard?P.S.: The egg STILL came first.
It's not that the evidence is different, it's how you deduct the evidence, so on the creationist side we find the evidence and see how it links up with the bible, (and the reason is because we believe that God exists, and it's true, anyways), but on the other side you link up the same difference with a theory, and you even made machines for the theory. That's the only difference, it is how we deduct the evidence that we both find.
Also since when has ALL "science" put a date on the beginning on the universe? How do you tell the time of something you can't touch? 😑
One more time, we all find the same evidence, but it's all on how we deduct it. 👆 do you not agree with this statement?
I don't disagree with that statement, (mostly, at least) and I doubt Omega would either. Our problem is when you believe so blindly in what is, when it comes right down to it, a very long and complicated storybook. It was written by humans, whose only basis for the truth of what they were writing were eyewitness accounts of the events they described. The bible is arguably the most misinterpreted piece of literature ever written.
The basis for all arguments supporting Creation (or those I have seen) are almost invariably one of the following:
1. The bible said it, I believe it. (I depend on my faith to believe in Creation)
2. Evolution can't be right because... (how did seahorses evolve, where are the 2 or 3 celled intermediates, etc... all of which can be proven wrong)
3. Life has to have been created by something divine because... (it's so complex, it's designed so well, etc...)
Also, it's a little arrogant of Christians to believe so pig-headedly that God exists. Maybe he/she/it does, but we have no way of knowing for certain. What we do know is that the universe could have gotten to its present state on its own, without a God.
You can tell the age of something you can't touch a number of ways. In the case of the universe, we know that it is far older than 6000 years, based on the fact that we can see stars that are millions of lightyears away.
First of all, i can tell you that God does exist, i'll put it plain and simple, yes it's true, and we can prove it, but everytime we give our proof you say it's nonsense because you can't see this God, and you can't hear this God, and we'll tell you why but you don't wanna have it. At all. We've got something that all other religions don't, whenever you become a Christian you aren't in a religion anymore you are in a relation, and damnit, no matter how many times we will try to explain it, and explain why we don't do what you do, why we follow and book that was made by humans, that were being directed by God, you want to call that weird because it's something you don't get. Then we're put in the same class as homosexuals, but guess what, the Bible says that we will be persecuted, and it was right we were and we still are...
IT's just one problem we have with the rest of the world, and it's all because we believe that God exists, and we don't believe blindly, we wouldn't believe if we didn't see him heal people, we wouldn't believe if he told us something and we did something else and in the end we end up getting ourselves in trouble because we wouldn't listen to him, we wouldn't believe if he didn't talk to us or answer what we prayed for, we wouldn't believe if the bible did not tell us what would happen if we did worldy things, we wouldn't believe if we didn't think there was hope for you all, we wouldn't believe if there was no heaven, we believe because God speaks to us through the bible.
You'd learn alot of things about living a better, and healthier life, from the bible. you'd learn about a history of people, just like any other history book, you learn about how the beginning of alot things, basically you learn alot of stuff from reading the bible...
*phew* now that i got that out i feel better 😄 👆
Force... I've told you before, I was a Christian for quite a while. I never felt like I had a "relationship" with God. I never felt like I was being "saved". Simply put, I didn't understand what all the hype was about. I have nothing against Christianity in and of itself, what bugs me is when people go around trying to push their beliefs on other people. It's not just Christians that do it, but that's what we're talking about. The bible does talk about a relationship with God, but there seems to be one big part of it that nobody really gets: LOVE YOUR FELLOW MAN!!! The people in my church were hypocritical morons, they never accepted myself or my family into their little circle of friends. I remember getting funny looks from people because I did something they thought was "unholy" or some crap like that.
Thing is.... I constantly found myself being judged by these people, which is exactly the opposite of what the bible says. The whole "using the lord's name in vain" thing isn't about how you can't say "god dammit" or "oh my god". It's about not saying God is going to do something to somebody, because theoretically you can't predict what God is going to do, if he does anything. Things like "the lord will punish you", shit like that.
I admit that parts of the bible are fascinating from a historical point of view.
Anywho... I consider myself a Buddhist, (still learning a lot of stuff) and I find myself living a better, happier, healthier life through its teachings. So you don't need Christianity to be healthier/happier.
well naturally the chicken.Because if there was no chicken, where di th egg come from? Acording to nature, an egg just does not pop up in the air.Chicken came first than came an egg, so that the chicken could help it grow. As for the chicken, it must've first came as a mutant bird or something which later on developed into a population.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Force... I've told you before, I was a Christian for quite a while. I never felt like I had a "relationship" with God. I never felt like I was being "saved". Simply put, I didn't understand what all the hype was about. I have nothing against Christianity in and of itself, what bugs me is when people go around trying to push their beliefs on other people. It's not just Christians that do it, but that's what we're talking about. The bible does talk about a relationship with God, but there seems to be one big part of it that nobody really gets: LOVE YOUR FELLOW MAN!!! The people in my church were hypocritical morons, they never accepted myself or my family into their little circle of friends. I remember getting funny looks from people because I did something they thought was "unholy" or some crap like that.Thing is.... I constantly found myself being judged by these people, which is exactly the opposite of what the bible says. The whole "using the lord's name in vain" thing isn't about how you can't say "god dammit" or "oh my god". It's about not saying God is going to do something to somebody, because theoretically you can't predict what God is going to do, if he does anything. Things like "the lord will punish you", shit like that.
I admit that parts of the bible are fascinating from a historical point of view.
Anywho... I consider myself a Buddhist, (still learning a lot of stuff) and I find myself living a better, happier, healthier life through its teachings. So you don't need Christianity to be healthier/happier.
Those people are called religious people, and being religious doesn't really help anyone, anyways DR you were probably in the wrong church. *shrugs* and with the healthir happier life, i didn't mean that following the bible was the only way to get that. Anyways what exactly does buddhism teach? 😕
Well... Obviously, it would take forever to explain everything about Buddhism... But I'll do my best to give you a general idea.
First of all, Buddhism isn't technically a religion. A religion is a belief in a divine or supernatural power, like God. Buddhism as a whole doesn't teach about any kind of supernatural power, but there are religious Buddhists--ie people who are some other religion but still follow Buddha's teachings. It's fairly unique in that it doesn't restrict you to follow only itself. Furthermore, there are a lot of people who aren't really "Buddhist" who put into practice what it teaches.
In some ways, it's similar to Christianity, in some ways it's the polar opposite. It teaches kindness to all other living things, for example. But it doesn't require you to believe everything, on the other hand. Basically, examine everything you are taught, and if it works for you, great, if it doesn't, don't follow it.
It's all about taking responsibility for your own life, and being able to know what to do with yourself without needing to be told by something external... Be it another person, a god, whatever. The other thing is about knowing yourself and your mind, to some extent. Nobody will ever know everything about themselves and their mind, but it's good to be able to know a little bit of what's going on in there.
I could go on and on about this... Hopefully you get the general idea, PM me if you're still curious.
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Originally posted by Dexx
why can't we bind the two...and say that..... with a god miracle thingy, the first living cell appeared...and evoltion did the rest.
so you incorporate both theories
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That is such an incredible theory believeing God and evolution!! lol not a bad idea!😄