Rock vs Rap

Started by finti24 pages

so many rap haters in the world, so little time to expain hip hop to them all...
dont hate rap, it just isnt the thing I can sit down and listen to. And this west coast east coast fued is a huge turnoff too, the likes that some prominent rappers actually got killed over it tells it all.

The only rap I actually can listen too is the good old Grandmaster melle mel 😄
But I prefer rock anyday though, but hey that was the music when I was growing up, time changes so those who do love rap go for it, if you can somehow identify yourself with it ,whats better?

Originally posted by VENOMfan
most RAP is what they play on MTV right? and Hip Hop is the good stuff?
or underground?

rap is where theres just the "talking" throught the whole song and hip hop is where theres singing/a tune for the chorus.
mainstream is the stuff you hear on the radio and mtv
underground is the stuff which you DONT hear!!!!

I think most rap/hip hop and rock/metal are pretty much the opposite sides of the same coin - of course they have their differences but when it comes down to it they share similar negative aspects musically, lyrically, image wise and in terms of the personalities involved. In another way - they have different appraoches and make different sounds but they tend to have the same arguments against them because it really comes down to a matter of personal taste and in alot of cases cultural popularity.

Most of the real gems go on unheard of due to commercial dominance and even the underground scene has it's own bureacracy. Hence I don't prefer one or the other in general and prefer to just go on individual merit e.g. just take each song as it comes when it comes to what I like.

y does everybody think rap is better its just moanin and groanin with the f*** word ❌ go with rock its much better 🤘

another hip hop hater... the music forum is full of stuff that talks about how not all rap is bad, go read some of it, it'll do you good... I like both rock and hip hop ✅

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I do like some rap but mostly like rock, it's probably because i was raised into it

Originally posted by PunisherFan33
y does everybody think rap is better its just moanin and groanin with the f*** word ❌ go with rock its much better 🤘

Hell yea 😄

I'll say it again Cartman, since you seem to be ignoring me.

Obviously you're the one who knows nothing about music here. I'll give you a brief history of music, m'kay?

Okay, so a long time ago, in the middle ages, there was very little written music. Mostly it was just a bunch of wandering minstrels and other professional musicians who went around and played for nobles. In the Renaissance era, people started writing down music... It was a pretty primitive system of notation though.

So from Renaissance music evolved Baroque music, which people still play and listen today. Bach is the most obvious example of a Baroque era composer. The characteristics of Baroque music are that it is heavy on strings, there are fewer wind instruments, and little piano music... mostly you just see harpsichords and organs, as pianos were fairly crappy back then.

So then came classical, and later the romantic or victorian era. Guys like Beethoven and Mozart were the pioneers of classical and romantic music. There is a lot more piano in this time period, and it is less "ordered" so to speak.

Meanwhile, in Africa, people were still banging on drums made of logs and goat skin, forming complex rythms with small percussion groups. Around this time, people of European descent started taking Africans back to Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Americas to be slaves. It was here that early Latin music started, with the combination of African percussion and Spanish/Middle Eastern stringed instruments.

Later, in the American South, came the advent of what would prove to be probably the most influential musical genre thus far: blues. This was during and before the Civil War, and during the Reconstruction era that followed it. It originated from the huge plantations where small armies of African slaves were kept by plantation owners. They had really crappy lives, so they decided to start a musical genre based on little other than their sheer musical talent and the incredible crappiness of their lives. It ended up sounding really great. It was very little like people think of blues nowadays... Mostly what you saw was a guy with an acoustic guitar and a nice voice singing and playing, and occasionally a bass and some drums.

Now, by the turn of the century, this blues thing was really catching on in the black population. Even now that they were officially "free", their lives still really sucked, for the most part. And again, they poured their sadness, their anger, and their beautiful deep, rich voices into their music. Blues kept evolving up through the '20's and '30's, and jazz and swing came out of it during this time period.

Now, here's the part you've all been waiting for. This is the part where blues turns into rock. There was once a young man named Elvis Presley. He was white, unlike every other blues musician at the time. He wasn't much of a guitarist, but he had a hell of a voice, and he was destined to be the man who brought blues to mainstream white America. He got a hold of some old blues tunes, recorded them, and the rest is history (heh, always wanted to say that 😊 ). The other half of blues, however, turned into gospel, soul, and R&B, all of which used to be beautiful genres.

So after Elvis, came 50's rock, out of which eventually came surf guitar (Dick Dale and the Del Tones), acid rock (The Grateful Dead), heavy metal (Led Zeppelin), punk (the Ramones), glam rock (I won't mention any glam rock bands, because this was just a bad, bad phase music went through), and a shitload of other rock sub-genres that I'm too lazy to list.

So you see, as far as modern music goes, it all started with good ol' Jim Crow down in Mississippi singin' the blues. I guess you were wrong after all. 😊

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Holy shit darth raven the argument is already over

First of all, it's Darth REVAN, not "Raven". Second, since when was the argument over? It seems to me you're just saying it is because you know you got schooled by me. Admit it, I owned you just now.

look right now i'm tryin to make good with this site cause i got banned once ok so I'm gonna tell you this once and only once the arument is over so end it.

But I posted that originally before you said the argument was over; which would seem to indicate that you "ended" the argument just because I posted that, and you know everything in it is correct. Which proves your "all music comes from rock" theory wrong. The thread is still open, and the argument is too. And finally, I assume you got banned before for flaming or socking or some other thing you did yourself, not something that was said to you. So we can keep arguing as long as we don't flame each other, m'kay? 😊

wow Darth Revan you murdered him verbally ✅ thats insane 😂 good job

you proved ur point.

cartman u were wrong ✅ again!

the argument is never over..because there will be another nooblet thats walks in and says something like "Rock Sucks" or "Rap is for idiots" or "Rock raped Rap in a dancing contest"

anything is possible at KMC...and im just gonna see more of it..day...by day...by day 😂 😆

first of all the thing you posted about the music i never even read it so i didn't end it cause of you. i ended it because it is stupid to arue about. This thread is suppose to be about people talking about what they like better and what kinds of bands they like. Ok.

Definitely... DEFINITELY Rock.

Darth Revan,

Nice job.

Secondly, I'll drop my thoughts in. By thought I mean fact.

People bang on about the greatest MC of all time and they always say 2pac or Biggie or whoever else.

I shall tell you for a fact now that for sheer lyrical skill and REAL meaningful lyrical content and intellect, Zack De La Rocha reigns supreme as the greatest rhymer ever. Followed by Method Man of The Wu-Tang Clan. No....stop you internal dialogue of "But 2pac..." No. You're wrong, deal with it.

Zack is way better than any Hiphop lyricist and he trails some of Rocks singers/lyricists by a long long way. When it comes down to it, you can't put rhymers rhyming on top of a studio made beat against the best bands in the world who actually play music on instruments.

If you go away from this thread saying "Alpha hates Hiphop" you would be wrong. The Hiphop I love is REAL Hiphop.

For all you 13 year old Eminem worshippers, that means:

Big Daddy Kane, Rakim and Eric B, Wu-Tang, Public Enemy, Aesop Rock, A Tribe Called Quest, Big Punisher, Method Man and The Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast and maaaaaaybe Jay-Z.

I love Hiphop. Which is why in pains me to see it become the slut, money-hungry genre it has. I defend it where it's due, against those who say it's just people swearing. It's not. However it has more shit than almost any other genre besides Bubblegum Pop.

So is Rock or "Rap" better. Rock, by far. It's just the way it is. Without Rock, "Rap" wouldn't be here.

Lastly, stop referring to it as "Rap". Rap is something you do, it's not a genre. It's called Hiphop.

*Dusts hands*

-AC

Big Daddy Kane, Rakim and Eric B, Wu-Tang, Public Enemy, Aesop Rock, A Tribe Called Quest, Big Punisher, Method Man and The Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast and maaaaaaybe Jay-Z

just take out jay-z and thats a perfect list.

Cartman u cant say which is better since they are soo different. both are great in there own aspects and traditions (that seems like the right word to use)