Okay, forget the “This is Doom we’re talking about, so he wins, because he always wins blah blah blah”.
Also forget the “Doom defeated Beyonder and blah blah blah.”
We all know that. But it is NOT dr. Doom vs the Beyonder, it’s Doom vs Thor, son of Odin ! And Thor, people, is not only a living god, who had centuries of experience before dr. Doom even was born, he’s also a true heavyweight among the Marvel heroes. And yes, he’s smarter than most people think he is.
They both have a good chance defeating each other.
"Also forget the “Doom defeated Beyonder and blah blah blah.”
We all know that. But it is NOT dr. Doom vs the Beyonder, it’s Doom vs Thor, son of Odin ! And Thor, people, is not only a living god, who had centuries of experience before dr. Doom even was born, he’s also a true heavyweight among the Marvel heroes. And yes, he’s smarter than most people think he is.
They both have a good chance defeating each other"
Why should we forget that one of the combatants defeated the Beyonder? It just adds to the belief that Doom would win. My point in raising that was this:
Doom has faced much greater forces than the Thunder God and came out on top. Be it through intelligence and cunning or strength and ability.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Regardless of that bit of Thor based hyperbole, he is nothing compared to the power levels exhibited by the Beyonder, indeed Thor was present during that whole thing.
Hyperbole ? Where exactly did I exaggerate ? Please enlighten me. Everything I said about Thor is true.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Also forget the “Doom defeated Beyonder and blah blah blah.”We all know that. But it is NOT dr. Doom vs the Beyonder, it’s Doom vs Thor, son of Odin ! And Thor, people, is not only a living god, who had centuries of experience before dr. Doom even was born, he’s also a true heavyweight among the Marvel heroes. And yes, he’s smarter than most people think he is.
They both have a good chance defeating each other"
Why should we forget that one of the combatants defeated the Beyonder? It just adds to the belief that Doom would win. My point in raising that was this:
Doom has faced much greater forces than the Thunder God and came out on top. Be it through intelligence and cunning or strength and ability.
-AC
I wouldn't go so far by saying Doom defeated Beyonder, because in the end, he lost. Plain and simple, he lost. Do not argue about this.
Doom was very lucky during the whole Secret Wars thing : not only he had amazing technology at his disposal (technology NOT built by him, he only used it), he also was lucky that he could use Claw to try to attack the Beyonder. Thanks to the energy he stole from Galactus he could transform his armor in something that could absorb the energy of the Beyonder.
And still he got his ass kicked. And when he was more dead than alive, he surprised the Beyonder with his willpower, and obtained his powers.
And even with the powers of the Beyonder, he eventually lost, because Beyonder was no dumb ass either. He used Claw, stole back his powers and sent Doom into oblivion.
Now who defeated who ?
"I wouldn't go so far by saying Doom defeated Beyonder, because in the end, he lost. Plain and simple, he lost. Do not argue about this.........Now who defeated who?"
Doom defeated The Beyonder. Beyonder won in the long run but Doom overcame him. Again let me point out that Doom, when you break it down, is just a normal man. Most superhumans and psychics out there couldn't do that to The Beyonder.
"Doom was very lucky during the whole Secret Wars thing : not only he had amazing technology at his disposal (technology NOT built by him, he only used it), he also was lucky that he could use Claw to try to attack the Beyonder. Thanks to the energy he stole from Galactus he could transform his armor in something that could absorb the energy of the Beyonder.
And still he got his ass kicked. And when he was more dead than alive, he surprised the Beyonder with his willpower, and obtained his powers.
And even with the powers of the Beyonder, he eventually lost, because Beyonder was no dumb ass either. He used Claw, stole back his powers and sent Doom into oblivion."
He stole the energy from Galactus. Because he can. He is smart enough to think up a way to do so. He manipulated someone into attacking Beyonder, because he can. He surprised someone who is supposedly omnipotent. That goes in the Guinness Book Of Amazing Feats if you ask me.
This is why I vote for Doom. Because noble or not, honour wont get you to the finish line in most cases. Doom is a sly, tricky, intelligent man. He doesn't NEED to brawl. Coz he can outsmart Beyonder and Galactus. He can manipulate. Thor is smart but he cannot outsmart Doom and if it came down to brawling....well......how would it come down to brawling? Doom knows of Thor and Thor knows of Doom. Doom likely has a book written on him, his powers and his weaknesses. Thor on the other hand probably doesn't know the extend of Doom's actual power.
-AC
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I hope everyone realizes my last couple posts in this thread were jokes...Thor would give Doom problems, but Doom has defeated GALACTUS, turned his ship into energy absorbed it, and beat his ASS. Thor is troublesome, but nothing Doom can't handle.
As for the entire Avengers thing, Doom would just be overwhelmed, considering the Avengers have like 300+ members.
L.T. could just blink Doom out of existence...unless Doom got his hands on T.H.O.T.U. which I believe Doom can be capable of doing.
this is like that batman vs. superman crap. dr. doom wins with preptime... damn that preptime. if doom knew who thor was in advance before their fight thor would be in a lot of trouble. but what if thor also knew what doom was capable of? thor is not stupid you know. but with preptime id still give the fight to doom. but if we're talking about a random fight in the street i don't think doom has much of a freakin chance against thor.
the battle goes to thor. doom wins the war.
"if doom knew who thor was in advance before their fight thor would be in a lot of trouble. but what if thor also knew what doom was capable of?"
Who actually knows what he is fully capable of though? Nobody. And Doom knows who Thor is and Thor knows Doom. I believe and am willing to bet Doom knows more on his opponent though.
"thor is not stupid you know. but with preptime id still give the fight to doom. but if we're talking about a random fight in the street i don't think doom has much of a freakin chance against thor."
Random fight in the street, Doom has no chance? Do you people think Doom walks around in his sweats and Nikes or something? Damn man.
Doom is ready all the time. There'd never ever be a random meeting with Doom coz he always knows where he's gonna be and why.
-AC
i think doom is overrated. he always seems to have the exact gadgets for the exact events at the exact times. everyone expects doom to be ready for anything... that's crap. above all else he is still human. and my 'walking in the street' statement was not to be taken literally.
doom is ready all the time??? damn, you make it sound like he's a freakin telepath. like i said, without prep time doom has no chance in hell to defeat thor. yes with proper planning and everything i agree that doom has a pretty good CHANCE on defeating thor. but please... do not tell me that crap about doom being ready all the time... coz if that was the case then the fantastic 4 would never have been able to thwart mr. victor von doom.
"i think doom is overrated. he always seems to have the exact gadgets for the exact events at the exact times. everyone expects doom to be ready for anything... that's crap. above all else he is still human. and my 'walking in the street' statement was not to be taken literally."
Overrating and him actually being THAT good to the point of having everything he needs at the right time are two vastly different worlds. You not LIKING that he is always armed and equipped is another also. He is still Human which is one thing I always use as a PLUS. He whoops and outsmarts all these people and he's just human. The street thing might as well be literal coz in his suit is all he needs and he always wears it.
"doom is ready all the time??? damn, you make it sound like he's a freakin telepath. like i said, without prep time doom has no chance in hell to defeat thor. yes with proper planning and everything i agree that doom has a pretty good CHANCE on defeating thor. but please... do not tell me that crap about doom being ready all the time... coz if that was the case then the fantastic 4 would never have been able to thwart mr. victor von doom."
Like I said, why would you need preptime when you know about your opponents before you meet them and have everything in your suit to deal with them? Doom being ready all the time and his ability to FINISH plans are again two different issues. Doom is always ready with anything, he was ready to take the Beyonder's powers. He did so. He was ready to take Galactus energy and ship. He did. The fact that Doom's only scientific rival (who also leads a team of exceptional superheroes save for Invisible Woman) can thwart his plans, isn't a shameful fact. They don't even thwart them really. Doom is never really thwarted, he is the epitome of retreat to fight another day. Which he does, to success.
-AC
-AC
Doom wins this one. "Thor is smarter than most think he is" is still utter and complete bullcrap for an arguement.
Dr. Doom would be like 7 steps ahead of Thor the whole time. He's too smart and plans too well to lose to Thor.
It's easy to say "they both could win." because we all know that. I'm picking one, and I say one on one Doom can defeat Thor.
I'm not saying that one hit from the hammer and it's over but I'm sure repeated blows would do the trick. Thor is a god so whatever he does comes natuarlly to him, Doom wouldnt be able to cancel out his natural powers. And just in case everyone wants to talk about his force fields, all thor would have to do is summon the lighting and fry him with a million volts. and if that doesnt work get in as many blows as possible to softten him up then just teleport him to Hel and have Surtur deal with that ass
Random encounter between dr. Doom and Thor : Doom will eat dust. You may argue what you want, but he has virtually no chance against Thor, who is faster, stronger, tougher, more experienced and has a very powerful weapon (Mjolnir duh).
With the (overrated) preptime : 50/50. It could go either way. May I please be informed why lots of people think that Doom is unbeatable when properly prepared ?
If that's so, how come that almost every major hero has defeated Doom ? At least once ? Hmm ?