"no matter how well prepped doom is he cant easily triumph over every one just like that. that type of thinking reminds me of the old school, batman cartoons from the '70s where he would have a gadget for every situation. and that's just plain foolish"
Yeah but compared to Doom's suit Batman's utility belt is a lunchbox.
"Random encounter between dr. Doom and Thor : Doom will eat dust. You may argue what you want, but he has virtually no chance against Thor, who is faster, stronger, tougher, more experienced and has a very powerful weapon "
So basically as long as I don't prove you wrong with near enough factual evidence, we're good? Sounds fair. However, you keep assuring me that on a random encounter Doom will eat dust.
Allow me to point two things:
1) As said before, Doom is always in his suit. Never unprepared. He has all he needs with him.
2) Doom doesn't stroll to the convenience store for a bottle of "Acme Jack's Genius Suit Oil". You wont "bump" into him. He always knows where he wants to be or needs to be and why. When he's without anything to do, he resides in his castle. Which Thor isn't getting into without setting off something that will alert Doom.
"With the (overrated) preptime : 50/50. It could go either way. May I please be informed why lots of people think that Doom is unbeatable when properly prepared ?"
I was unaware Thor has the ability to outsmart a seemingly omniscient being and one older than our own universe. Just me though.
"If that's so, how come that almost every major hero has defeated Doom? At least once? Hmm?"
List these please. With method of defeat and situation in which they defeated him. I'm talking all the heroes you imply have beaten him.
-AC
Originally posted by who?-kid
I didn't imply a thing. Again, read what I wrote about Thor and try to find a mistake or an exaggeration. I wasn't comparing Thor with the Beyonder.
'"Also forget the “Doom defeated Beyonder and blah blah blah.”
We all know that. But it is NOT dr. Doom vs the Beyonder, it’s Doom vs Thor, son of Odin ! And Thor, people, is not only a living god, who had centuries of experience before dr. Doom even was born, he’s also a true heavyweight among the Marvel heroes.'
I think you should let this one go.
Yeah but compared to Doom's suit Batman's utility belt is a lunchbox.
True
So basically as long as I don't prove you wrong with near enough factual evidence, we're good? Sounds fair. However, you keep assuring me that on a random encounter Doom will eat dust.
Well, that's a strange remark coming from a person who never has explained me how exactly dr. Doom will defeat Thor.
I already mentioned some of the ways Thor could defeat Doom :
- Thor is waaaay stronger
- Thor is a better fighter
- Thor is extremely durable
- Thor is very fast
- Thor has centuries of fighting experience
- Thor can crush his armor with his bare hands
- Thor can summon the lightning (among others)
- Thor is no idiot
- Thor has an extremely powerful weapon
Satisfied ? Now, I'll ask again : how exactly will dr. Doom defeat Thor ? And try to avoid to mention the Beyonder (almost defeating Beyonder is no guarantee to win every other fight) and be precise. Just saying "Dr. Doom will find something" is too vague.
Facts please.
Allow me to point two things:
1) As said before, Doom is always in his suit. Never unprepared. He has all he needs with him.
Not true. He's not a walking Swiss knife.
I was unaware Thor has the ability to outsmart a seemingly omniscient being and one older than our own universe. Just me though.
Will you please stop dragging Beyonder in every post ? What has that to do with Thor vs Beyonder ? Other fight, other opponent, other circumstances !!
"If that's so, how come that almost every major hero has defeated Doom? At least once? Hmm?"
List these please. With method of defeat and situation in which they defeated him. I'm talking all the heroes you imply have beaten him.
Lol 🙂. Nice try, but no. I don't mind to discuss stuff here on the forum, but if you really think I'm going to summarize ALL the fights of Dr. Doom (or a robotic version) with the Fantastic Four, Avengers, X-Men... you're wrong.
You know what ? I was just making that up ! In fact, dr. Doom has won every fight ! Ever ! Never lost once !
Yeah right...
Its just the same as taking martial arts lessons. my sensei told the people in my class that If youre 5'9 165 and youre opponent is 6'11 300 no matter how many black belts you have you're not gonna win. the most you can hope to do is hurt him enough for you to get away.
its a little abstract but I feel the same prinicple applies in this situation, Doom could have book smarts coming out the ass, it still doesnt mean he can beat thor. I agree with the others give some specific examples as to why you think Doom would win other than he's always prepared
"- Thor is waaaay stronger
- Thor is a better fighter
- Thor is extremely durable
- Thor is very fast
- Thor has centuries of fighting experience
- Thor can crush his armor with his bare hands
- Thor can summon the lightning (among others)
- Thor is no idiot
- Thor has an extremely powerful weapon"
-True.
-Hand to hand, yes.
-Yes. No doubt.
-Of course.
-If he never got close enough to use it, wouldn't mean squat.
-Again, what makes you think Thor will get his hands on Doom's armour long enough to crush it?
-As I said before, the man lives in Europe. You think he has a lightning affected suit? Seriously?
-Thor Intelligence Vs Doom Intelligence is a bit of a mis-match.
-Doom has many extremely powerful weapons.
I agree with Victor. Should let this one go man.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
That's not necessarily true though. Bruce Lee must've been less than those proportions.I know it was an analogy, but that's what analogies are for.
Bruce Lee was like 145 pounds, and he never got into a street fight with someone who's 300 pounds. Actually, Bruce really didn't compete that much at all, he was mostly a celebrity.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Bruce Lee was like 145 pounds, and he never got into a street fight with someone who's 300 pounds. Actually, Bruce really didn't compete that much at all, he was mostly a celebrity.
The point is, put some 300 lbs fat moron against Bruce Lee and I'm not betting on lardo. Of course, weight and size can be a massive factor though.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Bruce Lee was like 145 pounds, and he never got into a street fight with someone who's 300 pounds. Actually, Bruce really didn't compete that much at all, he was mostly a celebrity.
Didn't compete? wtf!? Bruce Lee owned 3 schools, and invented his own f*cking style of martial arts. Jeet Kune Do. He went around the country not only demonstrating this new martial art on other people, but accepting challenges every week. When he wasn't making a movie, he was fighting.
He did "fight" a 300 pounder. Well, close to 300 pounds, a man nearly twice his size. He demonstrated his new move, the One Inch Punch on him. Then he did his One-Inch Punhc on him, and the man flew about 6 feet.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Didn't compete? wtf!? Bruce Lee owned 3 schools, and invented his own f*cking style of martial arts. Jeet Kune Do. He went around the country not only demonstrating this new martial art on other people, but accepting challenges every week. When he wasn't making a movie, he was fighting.He did "fight" a 300 pounder. Well, close to 300 pounds, a man nearly twice his size. He demonstrated his new move, the One Inch Punch on him. Then he did his One-Inch Punhc on him, and the man flew about 6 feet.
Boy...open your mouth when you quote me correctly.
I said "didn't compete that much at all" and that is a true statement.
Bruce proved at an early age that he was a world champion martial artist. I believe he was only like 18 at the time.
He didn't "compete" at a lot of martial arts tournaments, he "demonstrated" at the tournaments. He's never done the one inch punch in competition, he's only demonstrated it at tournaments and on TV shows.
Yes, he opened three schools, but that isn't competing....that's teaching.
Kareem Abdul Jabar, is not 300 pounds, yes he is 2 feet taller than Bruce, but he isn't 300 pounds, and those two never fought it out...they sparred and trained together. He didn't do the One In Punch to Kareem...he did it to a talk show host and got in trouble for "physically threatening him." And he performed it several times in demonstrations at Martial Arts Tournaments.
He could have very easily won the title of "Wold Champion" over and over again throughout his life, but instead of competing, he became a celebrity. He starred as The Green Hornet, and he spent a lot of time attempting to complete "the Silent Flute" except one of his business associates backed out. Later he was supposed to star in the series "Kung Fu" (except it was a different name) but later lost the job to David Carrdine who had no martial arts trainging what so ever.
He actually spent more time making movies, and perfecting his style than he did competing. So my statement stands correct.
doom is not always in his suit! don't tell me he takes a bath with it! who-kid hit the nail right in the head - if doom was so well prepared for everything why isn't he ruling the world right now? why is he beaten time and again? you can call it flea and fight another day but it sure as hell counts as a defeat in my vocabulary.
you guys better let this go... doom is not ALWAYS prepared for ANYTHING. as far as im concerned, the only basis you guys really have on backing doom is that he defeated beyonder... so please do tell me, how do you think doom is gonna defeat thor?
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Boy...open your mouth when you quote me correctly.
I said "didn't compete that much at all" and that is a true statement.Bruce proved at an early age that he was a world champion martial artist. I believe he was only like 18 at the time.
He didn't "compete" at a lot of martial arts tournaments, he "demonstrated" at the tournaments. He's never done the one inch punch in competition, he's only demonstrated it at tournaments and on TV shows.
Yes, he opened three schools, but that isn't competing....that's teaching.
Kareem Abdul Jabar, is not 300 pounds, yes he is 2 feet taller than Bruce, but he isn't 300 pounds, and those two never fought it out...they sparred and trained together. He didn't do the One In Punch to Kareem...he did it to a talk show host and got in trouble for "physically threatening him." And he performed it several times in demonstrations at Martial Arts Tournaments.
He could have very easily won the title of "Wold Champion" over and over again throughout his life, but instead of competing, he became a celebrity. He starred as The Green Hornet, and he spent a lot of time attempting to complete "the Silent Flute" except one of his business associates backed out. Later he was supposed to star in the series "Kung Fu" (except it was a different name) but later lost the job to David Carrdine who had no martial arts trainging what so ever.
He actually spent more time making movies, and perfecting his style than he did competing. So my statement stands correct.
If you can find where I said "Kareem Abul-Jabbar" OR EVEN "Lou Alcindor" OR EVEN "punched him during competition" I'll give you a cookie. No, I'll give you two. When someone is twice someone else's size, it means height or weight. The man he punched was at least 275, making him nearly 300. "Well, CLOSE TO 300 POUNDS"
Bruce Lee accepted challenges from any and every school he went to, to recruit students for Jeet Kune Do. It may not be an official world wide competition, but it's still competing. So your statement isn't true.
And don't call me boy.