Dr.Doom VS Thor

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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"if doom was so well prepared for everything why isn't he ruling the world right now?"

Why isn't Apocalypse? Or anyone else? Coz villains are there to fail. If they enslaved humanity then what would be the point in anything?

-AC

That's a bit simplistic I think. Villains aren't ruling the world because mostly they are not half as smart, prepared or powerful as they think they are.

I gotta agree with Alpha on that...

Primary reason why Hulk would win against Juggernaut. One's the good guy, the other is the bad guy. Good is supposed to triumph over evil.

Well, I don't know if we can consider dr. Doom as "pure evil". In his own way, he's quite reasonable and not such a bad leader.

"That's a bit simplistic I think. Villains aren't ruling the world because mostly they are not half as smart, prepared or powerful as they think they are."

Well ok so Marvel's writers create a villain so smart and so flawless that he enslaves humanity and no hero on Earth or the Universe can stop him/her. What happens then? Things get shit. Coz the main part of the fun in the escapism itself is the battle in which Good triumphs. Or evil triumphs.

That is why villains nowadays don't try to take over "the world". It's too cliche. They just try to take over what they can. So if we're going by who is more successful in that sense. Let's see how many villains own and run their own country.

-AC

I agree you have made a good point, but still it doesn't explain why those so-called world-conquerors never or rarely succeed in trying to rule the world.

It's not only because "good must triumph and that's it !". It's also because they make mistakes, become overconfident and underestimate some strongwilled heroes who are not afraid to fight back.

I hate to sound like a tight wad but I think this thread should be over already. Just from a plain and simple point of view thor wins.........period!

yes^^^^^^^^^^

See, plain and simple is why you are wrong. Doom loves to use strategies that are far from simple. Unless Thor's IQ increases by 100, he won't win.

Lets not forget that Doom is sorcerer.

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is this doom with prep time? coz if its without prep time, thor wins. doom would never have defeated cosmic beings and gods if he didn't have his precious prep time (which i think is tooooo overrated)

Originally posted by manjaro
Its just the same as taking martial arts lessons. my sensei told the people in my class that If youre 5'9 165 and youre opponent is 6'11 300 no matter how many black belts you have you're not gonna win. the most you can hope to do is hurt him enough for you to get away.

you are in the wrong martial art then

Originally posted by LGodamus
you are in the wrong martial art then

agreed...what was it united studios of self defense?

Its just the same as taking martial arts lessons. my sensei told the people in my class that If youre 5'9 165 and youre opponent is 6'11 300 no matter how many black belts you have you're not gonna win. the most you can hope to do is hurt him enough for you to get away.

A man weighing in at 300 lbs and standing at 6'11" still falls down when you kick him in the back of the knee or snap it backwards. His floating ribs still break when you punch them and he still becomes severely injured or possibly dead when you strike him in the throat or temple. Whoever told you that is doing you a disservice.

not to even mention the chi applications of the well practiced martial arts.......a man of that size is still going to fall down when you hit him and his internal organs are pulverized to mush.....

not to even mention the chi applications of the well practiced martial arts.......a man of that size is still going to fall down when you hit him and his internal organs are pulverized to mush.....

Well, let's try to stay practical. Most people will never even see an application of real life ki, and the extremely impressive, or 'powerful' feats are usually done after concentration.

Yes, I've seen one.

it's still practical....even one with limited (well in ma terms anyways) practice with chi can assault with much more power than the body of the user would suggest them to possess......for instance...my teacher can inflict bone bruises while demonstrating a block, self defense, WHILE doing it in slow motion literally......he left bruises on one of our student instructers just by placing his palm on the man's chest to demonstrate the proper application for panther strike.....

it's still practical....even one with limited (well in ma terms anyways) practice with chi can assault with much more power than the body of the user would suggest them to possess......for instance...my teacher can inflict bone bruises while demonstrating a block, self defense, WHILE doing it in slow motion literally......he left bruises on one of our student instructers just by placing his palm on the man's chest to demonstrate the proper application for panther strike.....

You misunderstand me. While that's practical in application, it's not 'practical' for discussion, as most people will never be able to do that, much less ever see it.

so what are we talking here? like, people who just do martial arts a couple days a week just for a workout or hobby?...or what?

so what are we talking here? like, people who just do martial arts a couple days a week just for a workout or hobby?...or what?

I've got people in mind who are simply in it for the self-defense. Something of the nature you described isn't something you'd be able to do without living martial arts. My Shihan has been doing martial arts for 20 years and yet he cannot do things of that nature.

Most people aren't Ryu, traveling the world in order to seek enlightenment and better themselves physically/mentally through perfection of martial technique. 😛 Exaggeration, I know, but you get the point, I'm sure.

yeah i understand you now..... though I don't think one nessaccarily has to "live kung fu" in order to apply that same type of capability (maybe at a much lower level as myself)....but I get what you mean....yes with a simple number of authentic self defense classes one should still be able to bring down a man of such stature unless they are incapable mentally or physically somehow...of applying them properly....