Troy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I JUST SAW TROY AND IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the acting was amazing. it was such a well made movie. i almost started crying towards the end. it was soo sad. did anyone else see it? i kno its only been out to days (i saw it yesterday, yay!) but maybe someone has seen it? 💃
Some people do seem a little mixed up about what was in the original...
Homer's Iliad ends with Hector's funeral. It only gets as far as foretelling Achilles' death, it doesn't even go through it. There is no Trojan horse.
These various events are examined in the Trojan cycle- a wider variety of literature about the myth- and referenced more in the Odyssey and Aeneid.
Originally posted by quiball
the attack of the horses was in the poem...the Aeneid, i think. if i got any of my facts wrong here, i'm sorry, i haven't brushed up on my mythology for quite a while. But the mentioning of gods is not really enough since the whole war thing should have been based on the gods' vanity and competitiveness. they appeared in front of Paris and everything, so i really don't think just mentioning them should have been enought
Wouldnt the Gods make this movie a bit childish? I actually thought it was quite annoying the whole:"Apollo is on our side...bla bla"
http://www.davidclaudon.com/Iliad/epic.html
A summary of the Cycle. You will note the Iliad is only a small part of it. The whole lot was written over a period of about 100 years.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nah, it's not childish, but it IS very complex and that is a fair reason for their removal. It adds an entire story over the story.
Heh, nah, they didn't fly around. They tended to help people recover, form the odd mist to help people escape, and occasionally power up a chosen hero.
And Achilles and Aeneas both had Godly parents.
Most of the Godly part of the story was politics as they squabbled amongst each other about which side to support. The idea from Homer was meant to be that the moral of the story was that the worlds of mortals and Gods were intertwined. Very interesting mythologically, but culturally irrelevant these days, so I don't mind the Gods being more sidelined in a film. Maybe different in a tv series though.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Heh, nah, they didn't fly around. They tended to help people recover, form the odd mist to help people escape, and occasionally power up a chosen hero.And Achilles and Aeneas both had Godly parents.
Most of the Godly part of the story was politics as they squabbled amongst each other about which side to support. The idea from Homer was meant to be that the moral of the story was that the worlds of mortals and Gods were intertwined. Very interesting mythologically, but culturally irrelevant these days, so I don't mind the Gods being more sidelined in a film. Maybe different in a tv series though.
I've just been to see Troy and I thought it was excellent. Brad Pitt was, suprisingly, the best performance, in my opinion.
The only problem I had was that I didn't think they made a big enough deal of the 'Achilles Heel' thing - if people didn't already know the legend, they wouldn't even have noticed the significance that he was
Spoiler:
shot through the heel just before he died
Originally posted by jjoutlaw3
my favorite quote is"they say you are immortal" something like that.
"well, i wouldn't bother with the armor than, would i?" i think that's it. i haven't got the words exactly but yeah.
I think it was "They say you can't be killed..." and he says "Why would I bother with a shield, then?" or something... 😑
Originally posted by Phoenix
I've just been to see Troy and I thought it was excellent. Brad Pitt was, suprisingly, the best performance, in my opinion.The only problem I had was that I didn't think they made a big enough deal of the 'Achilles Heel' thing - if people didn't already know the legend, they wouldn't even have noticed the significance that he was
Spoiler:
shot through the heel just before he died
But for the legend, they would have had to bring the Gods in... back to square one...
Originally posted by yerssot
yeah, that attack on the temple of Apollo, and the king talking about Apollo defending them but later on, they don't talk about it anymore.erm.... quiball... they do the trick with the horse, that was in the book 😄
no the attack on the beach was because they saw signs of the gods hector thought it was a bad idea but the went with the gods
Originally posted by Phoenix
I think it was "They say you can't be killed..." and he says "Why would I bother with a shield, then?" or something... 😑
yea thats pretty much how it went, although i thought the I will have your tounge, eyes, and ears, and you will roam the underworld deaf dumb and blind known as the fool who thought he killed achilles