Thor + Hulk + Thing .V. Superman?

"Yes it did. A fact is (I looked it up) : "a concept whose truth can be proved". Seems logical, doesn’t it ? Well, it’s not."

It did? So when the Earth was proven to be round, it became round...at that point?

"O, Hulk has different types of stress ? Well, that’s a new one…"
You've never heard of emotional, physical, mental stress? Hmm.

"it was still too soon for Hulk to become that strong. Bad writing
But at the end of the day, the Secret Wars is widely regarded as one of the greatest comic sagas ever. Poorly written I do not think. Secondly, who are we to challenge what the writers do with their characters? If your argument is that it was shit writing. I can say that about many pieces. I don't because it happened and there's nothing we can do about it. Can reshape history because you don't like a part of it my friend. You saying "bad writing" doesn't erase the event. The event happened and the evidance stands.."

But, one thing, it's not because something happened, that we have to accept it. Everybody who reads comics, knows that mistakes (storywise or characterwise) are no exceptions.

But it was a fun debate 😄.

"Well, I never heard that it makes a difference for Hulk. It's very simple : the more angry he gets, the stronger he becomes. And now you're throwing in emotional stress, physical stress, mental stress... a bit far fetched if you ask me."

Emotional Stress: References to Betty, his past, being treated as he is.

Physical Stress: Encounters with the army, Banner being shot in the head and turning into The Hulk instantly to recover. Being attacked in general.

Mental Stress: Whenever his MPD kicks in, especially during the Joe Fixit days, he would flip out and go into near breakdowns causing him to Hulk out.

It's not farfetched man. It's just that you don't like it. Nothing wrong at ALL with that. If you don't like it man, I can dig it. But don't deny The Hulk of references to his powers or accessibility to his powers purely coz YOU don't like them. That's silly.

"I think we can end the discussion here, because I never liked Secret Wars that much (missed opportunity in my opinion, and lots of exaggerations - Doom beating Beyonder with his willpower, Hulk lifting 150 billions of tons...)."

As I've said before, I don't think you can get exaggeration with comic books. In terms of physical feats anyway. Or feats using each persons respective powers. Because it's a comic, it's made to be exaggerated and over the top. The realism has it's place in stories like The Punisher and the like. In The Hulk and Secret Wars, all the fantastical type stories, why SHOULD things be unexaggerated? I don't pay to see Hulk try to lift a bus and fail coz it's a bit heavy. I pay for the awesome escapism that these guys have brought me over the years. The fact that it doesn't work on you just says that you don't really appreciate the comic medium.

"But, one thing, it's not because something happened, that we have to accept it. Everybody who reads comics, knows that mistakes (storywise or characterwise) are no exceptions."

You aren't even acknowledging though, let alone accepting. You aren't acknowledging on the strength of "Well I don't like it so it's fake". Which is, needless to say, a tad silly. I read comics. I know that MISTAKES storywise and characterwise are bad, yes. But the reason you call the feats of The Hulk "mistakes" are because they are beyond your comprehension and you don't like them. Which is fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion but it's a bit of a confidant call to brand the writers of things like the Secret Wars, faulty.

-AC

whats this thread called again...."debate hulkathon"...no, no thats not it.
Oh ya Thing Thor and Hulk vs. Superman. BACK TO TOPIC.

Well I don't like it so it's fake

But the reason you call the feats of The Hulk "mistakes" are because they are beyond your comprehension and you don't like them.

Which is fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion but it's a bit of a confidant call to brand the writers of things like the Secret Wars, faulty

But, I have to admit that I really hate it when people start complaining about "this happened in the comic and it was not cool" or "the Spider-Man movie should at least have Hulk, Galactus and Silver Surfer in it". When it happened, it happened, so indeed, there's no use complaining.

But then again, we all have the right to say how we felt about a certain scene in a comic. And today I did => the mountain-scene sucked 😈 .

Can I go home now ?

Erhh.

A fact is something provable, and objectively in existence. If we all accept I am the Hulk, it doesn't make it a fact.

Anyway, what was the topic?

Oh, Superman vs Hulk Thing and Thor.

Seems like an exercise in futility, but Superman is going down.

"Can I go home now ?"

Was unaware that you stayed out purely for this debate. I applaud you, I think. Was refreshing to debate with someone who formulates some kind of intellectual responses rather than "Yeah and space......"

-AC

lol..Yeah and Space are the most popular responses ever.

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thor can take
superman on his own

God dammit.

Who runs this joint? Someone needs to ban these morons. Most useless posters ever.

-AC

It used to be VENOMfan, but his internet service is down. or something.

I need to be a moderator 🙂.

Let's look at it this way.............Whoever the writers want to win.....will win!! These are comic characters we are arguing over guyz. There are no real gauge's to their power. All these Hulk vs Superman threads are worthless. Superman is the more bankable of the two books Hulk will lose every single time until he is deemed a more profitable or popular book. And yes more people will choose Coke over Pepsi as being better if Coke is being distributed to more outlet's than Pepsi or if it's better marketed. Sorry if i'm getting to serious in a "comic" discussion but you guyz get real brutal!! Imagine if we all had a little Hulk inside of us....let the Mayhem begin...and stock up on purple spandex.

Normally where Superman just happens upon these three and they start fighting - Superman will lose. (standard comic book formula - 1st appearance villain beats hero, next issue hero overcomes by using his patented heroing power 😄)

If the fight goes down like his first fight against Doomsday however Superman will destroy them because...**he did use his superspeed against Doomsday**. It states it in the comic. They traversed most of the nation at superspeed and raced to Metropolis at superspeed IIRC. Of course by this point Doomsday has whooped unholy amounts of ass by this point, slamming ppl in car doors and such. Superman knew that he had no choice but to go all out. In this second scenario Superman may well fly at superspeed and smash the Thing into smithereens (look at the company he's keeping in this contest, I'd assume he's a Hulk/Thor class player too), reducing this to a two on one contest. Next if Captain Marvel (Shazam) can dodge lightning bolts I'm sure Superman can. You don't need to move faster than light, just react in time.

Superman is arguably stronger than Cosmic Spider-Man (I think he is as the Uni-Force increased strength by a multiple of 50 leaving Spidey at ~500 tons) and considering the extreme speeds that he fought Doomsday at even Hulk wouldn't have time to brace himself, if he even realized that it was coming, for a superspeed punch that, like Cosmic Spider against Fixit, would leave him in orbit, if not floating away from Earth. There's a world of difference between 500 mph and Mach 32.

Shazam's lightning bolts have magical properties. Thor's lightning, or being hit by his hammer, in and of themselves aren't magic, just magic causing physical results, or else he'd have dispatched Juggernaut a lot easier. By the time Thor decides that something 'magical', like a godforce blast, is required to win this fight...well, at the speeds that Superman moves its a waste of time considering how long that will be as Thor will be down, if only because Superman would relieve him of Mjolnir and then beat him down with it.

I'm a fan of all of these characters, especially when they are doing their things. Call him generic if you want but if anyone is worthy to wield Mjolnir then its Clark Kent, Superman!

Oh, and somehow Abomination was pulled in. Initially Abomination was significantly stronger than Hulk because he abosrbed more radiation but Banner siphoned some off and every since then I'm fairly certain that the Hulk's, even Fixit more or less, have been slapping him around.

I still do think Hulk would take Superman but it's amazingly rare to see a Superman fan who knows what they're talking about.

I applaud thee.

-AC

Thor and Hulk alone would DESTROY Superman, and there's also Thing for support. 😛

I'm sad to say, but with 3 powerful heroes against 1 powerful hero....

I'd say that the important feature of the gang is Thor. The other two could distract him, whilst the magic of Thor's hammer would hurt Superman. But, Superman on average is stronger and faster than any of them. One question that needs to be addressed though, is the team up willing? Because if it isn't then Hulk is either going to get stronger, or be unable to tap his potential, or Thor is going to be slower, and weaker. Thor is the deathblow guy, so that would be important. That would put a time limit, as eventually Hulk or Thor could break free. Still, the main factor as many have stressed, is how far Superman’s willing to go. He could perhaps collapse a mountain on them, which would just leave an angry hulk...

Hulk smashes Superman while Thing lights up a cigar and makes a racist comment about Kryptonians