The Suggestion Thread

Started by Captain REX334 pages

Originally posted by Creshosk
Does it matter? you'd rather these low quality matches be intruding on other sections of the forum, rather than having a board for it that you need not even venture into?

Seriously think about what you're saying.

Why should Baka think about what he's saying if you're not even thinking about what YOU are saying?

Seriously, if the Vs. forums did not exist, it likely would happen that there would be NO VS. THREADS. They wouldn't be dumped in other forums. And then I'd be in Moderator heaven, because the Vs. threads are ridiculous and filled with flaming and trollery. I hand out warnings like free condoms at the clinic in the SW Vs.

Originally posted by Lana
Embittered? I love the VG forum.
Yes, and that's what wer'e discussing the VG forum... or you know not since its the Versus forum that's part of the package that you clearly indicated you only mod it because it is part of the package.

Originally posted by Lana
The forums on here I mod I frequent the most. When I took over it, the first thing I did was enact a cleanup in the VG and VG Vs, and fixed up the rules a bit, flesh them out some. And it was fine -- hell, I got thanks for it. It's only in the past two months that it's exploded into me having to close 10 threads a day.
Hmm... I'm sure you butressted that number with all the threads that don't fit your new rules.

Which is a bit deceptive since the way your were saying it they weren't a problem before, until you set the rule that required them to be closed.

Originally posted by Lana
People need to learn to read rules.
Yes they do, but you and I both know they don't do that upon changing to new rules, but by being pointed out when they break it. Sad, but its something you need to learn you're going to face, when dealing with people.

Originally posted by Lana
If they cannot bother to read them, then it is no one's problem but their own if their threads get closed and/or they get in trouble.
And it was certainly the not reading the rules that closed a whole bunch of threads recently...

or you know since the threads were okay before the rule change then it wasn't those people that weere at fault for those threads being closed.

So do me a favor and stop putting the cart before the horse to avoid responsabilty for your own actions of late.

Originally posted by Lana
Sorry but you know, I enforce my rules.
Unquestionably, the problem is in what rules you yourself impose in the first place.

Originally posted by Lana
I used to actually like and have an interest in Vs matches. Waaaay back when the CB Vs forum started, I actually posted in there relatively often. But it so quickly plunged to a state of fanboyish "this character is better!" "no, and you're a retard for thinking so!"
So you became sour on VS threads a long time ago... for something that common sense would have told you was coming.

Originally posted by Lana
that I gave up on it altogether. And you know what, I try my damnedest to keep the VG Vs from those sorts of arguments.
Ah so since people die in there sleep, lets ban sleep.

Since people die in car crashes, lets ban cars.

Interesting logic. Flawed but interesting none-the-less.

Originally posted by Lana
When people were going nuts with the spite threads, I recruited a handful of members who were fed up with them to help me by pointing out and reporting them so that I could take care of them. So it's not just me that was getting sick of the crap in there -- other posters were as well.

But the spite threads were what they were sick of, not the fact that there were threads at all.

Originally posted by Lana
I say that the posters are to blame for the newly rewritten rules
ah the posters made trhe rules.

Originally posted by Lana
because if people could follow the ones that were set to begin with, I wouldn't have had to make them stricter.
And since they can't follow these new ones lets do away with it alltogether...

Oh that's good logic. or you know not.

Originally posted by Lana
If I didn't get a whiny PM everytime I closed a thread that had no business being there saying "well that character was in a bunch of games!",
Ah, once again it's their fault for your shortsightedness. People are alwys goign to disagree with a mod's decisions. You should have expected that. Now stop blaming them for your own actions.

All you're doing is making excuses.

Originally posted by Lana
if people thought that they could get away with having anime matches simply because of the Goku/Superman thread, and if people hadn't immediately started in on the bashing anytime someone had a differing opinion,
Like calling them shitholes full of fanboys for haveing a different opinion from you?

Originally posted by Lana
then there'd be no need for the rules change.
Oh yes its there fault for your inability to accept all that came with modship.

Originally posted by Lana
No, I don't expect people to be smart.quote] Yes you do. You expect them to know the rules. To be educated on the matter.

[QUOTE=6620107]Originally posted by Lana
But I DO expect them to read the rules

See? You don't expect them to be knowledgeable but you expect them to be knowledgeable. Interesting.

Originally posted by Lana
-- especially when I explain them very clearly, invite anyone with any questions to PM me, and also leave the rules thread open instead of locking it for any questions or suggestion.
Oh so you invite those chalenging PMs that you detest?

You invite people to give you excuses to change rules...

That's like shooting a dog that bit you because you were slapping it in the face...

Originally posted by Lana
Most people like the new rules,
Doubt that strongly. Elsewise why would this even be in question?

Originally posted by Lana
or at the very least understand why it was put in place.
But not understand the REAL reason, just understand your excuses.

Originally posted by Lana
So I would suggest that before you make accusations, you know what you're talking about.
I would suggest you did before tyou accepted the job... but it's too late for that now isn't it?

Or you'd rather I be gulible and just swallow the excuses you give without question. Sorry, but I have a brain and can see something wrong here, I'm not going to be quiet about it, unless someone would like to threaten to use moderation to keep my opinion quiet.

Cause you know shooting a person for having a different opinion isn't nazi like at all.

So what can we expect in your next post? more excuses as to why its the posters fault they're losing freedoms, when its simply something you didn't count on when you took the job?

Originally posted by Captain REX
Why should Baka think about what he's saying if you're not even thinking about what YOU are saying?
Because I am.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Seriously, if the Vs. forums did not exist, it likely would happen that there would be NO VS. THREADS.
So tell me how did the VS forums come to exist in the first place?

You wanna talk about prohibition?

If there was no alcohol there'd be no alcohol related problems right?

Same logic.

Originally posted by Captain REX
They wouldn't be dumped in other forums. And then I'd be in Moderator heaven, because the Vs. threads are ridiculous and filled with flaming and trollery. I hand out warnings like free condoms at the clinic in the SW Vs.

Ah another embittered mod. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
I wish more people understood what they were getting into when they accept the mod request/offers. It's actually quite a deal of work, which can lead one to becomeing embittered toward that which they moderate.

It's not all fun and games... in fact I don't think that there is any fun to being a moderator. sure you have powers to do things, but there is a line from spiderman... with great power comes great responsability... elsewise the other cliche comes into effect power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly.

ah so you didn't consider the entire packahe in its entirety when you accepted.

welcome to modhood, its a position where you deal with people. You should not expect people to be smart, you should expect them to be people.

IT seems that this new forum would certainly help with the last two concerns now wouldn't it?

Seems that one is needed or else you'll always have people complaining.

Yeah I know.

The second cliche.

And not of your own ire toward your job and all it entailed? I suppose it is easier to point a finger isn't it?

Yes because we're the ones that decided to make stricter rules. since we the users had the power to ... or no wait...

OF course you don't. but that's natural for embittered mods.

😂

he's in creshmode now.. i love creshmode! 😱

give em hell chreshie! punk

Okay dig this. The embittered towards vs mods think that if there is no forum for vs threads there will be no vs threads.

So since there is no anime vs forum there should be no anime vs threads in the anime forum right:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t405538.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t297523.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t406253.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t404411.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t402873.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t403322.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t403250.html

So those don't exist right?

and why are most of them closed or forgotten about? 😐
Honestly what point is actually being proved here? 😬

Hmm... I'm sure you butressted that number with all the threads that don't fit your new rules.

Which is a bit deceptive since the way your were saying it they weren't a problem before, until you set the rule that required them to be closed.

And right here you prove that you've got no clue what you're talking about.

I said that in the past two months the VG Vs has gotten bad to a point that I've been having to close tons of threads.

I changed the rules two days ago.

Not knowing the rules does not in anyway excuse one from breaking them, sorry to say. And nearly everytime I close a thread I state which rule it is breaking and why it is being closed.

And yeah, I do believe that most people are fine with the change. Why? Because I've had people openly tell me that they liked the change, and was thanked for it (and for cleaning up threads). How many complaints have I gotten? Only people who have are Jinzin and yourself. And Cresh, I've never even SEEN you in the VG Vs, to be honest.

My actions did not cause people to break rules that had been in place for months, hate to break it to you. I AM living up to my responsibility as a mod. And that is by changing the rules to counter the fact that people had been abusing the very lenient ones that had been in place since before I even was a mod. I am making no excuses at all; however you are making excuses for those who don't follow the rules or believe themselves above them.

Have you ever thought of the fact that of all the forums on KMC, the Vs forums and those who frequent them tend to have the worst reputations on here -- even worse than that of the OTF, which is refered to as the KMC Toilet? Ever think that maybe, just maybe, there are reasons for that?

Originally posted by BakaXero
and why are most of them closed or forgotten about? 😐
Red herring discarded.

Originally posted by BakaXero
Honestly what point is actually being proved here? 😬
I thought I painted a pretty good picture. But for the people who are dense (either intentionally or not)

It's the prohibition thing. If what Rex said was true.

"Seriously, if the Vs. forums did not exist, it likely would happen that there would be NO VS. THREADS."

Then those threads would never have been made, right?

That's a rhetorical question. Obviously if he was right about that statement there would be NO VS. THREADS. rather than ones that are locked... cause they were open when they were first created.

And if you remove the vs forums. The problem is going to get worse.

Garbage trucks are loud and smelly, and taking out the garbage is a pain. but when faced with the alternative of having garbage pil;e up around the house, wouldn't you rather tolerate having to take out thre trash, and dealing with loud and smelly trucks?

No? So you'd rather have the filth around the house... like some sort of pig or something...

Dude, Cresh, just STFU, you don't even post in any of the Vs. forums we're talking about, you're just challenging us because you feel like it. 😐

And by the lack of Vs. threads, I meant if the forums were closed NOW. Logic tells us that they existed before and that people had a demand for a Vs. section, otherwise the sections wouldn't exist. But if the Vs. forums grew absurd and had to be removed, then there wouldn't be any Vs. threads because we'd disallow them.

Originally posted by Lana
Have you ever thought of the fact that of all the forums on KMC, the Vs forums and those who frequent them tend to have the worst reputations on here -- even worse than that of the OTF, which is refered to as the KMC Toilet? Ever think that maybe, just maybe, there are reasons for that?

something feels right about that sentence.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Red herring discarded.

I thought I painted a pretty good picture. But for the people who are dense (either intentionally or not)

It's the prohibition thing. If what Rex said was true.

[b]"Seriously, if the Vs. forums did not exist, it likely would happen that there would be NO VS. THREADS."

Then those threads would never have been made, right?

That's a rhetorical question. Obviously if he was right about that statement there would be NO VS. THREADS. rather than ones that are locked... cause they were open when they were first created.

And if you remove the vs forums. The problem is going to get worse.

Garbage trucks are loud and smelly, and taking out the garbage is a pain. but when faced with the alternative of having garbage pil;e up around the house, wouldn't you rather tolerate having to take out thre trash, and dealing with loud and smelly trucks?

No? So you'd rather have the filth around the house... like some sort of pig or something... [/B]


and yet you make a forum to let them loose and they go all out...and there's more then ten times what there would be, cause people think or theres a vs section what kind of combination can i put together. I know i put A and B together they have no simulairties what so ever but now at least now there's a thread about it.

Originally posted by Lana
And right here you prove that you've got no clue what you're talking about.quote] So because I disagree with you I have no clue what I'm talking about... Nice. Appearently I was right and I touched a nerve to get a hostile defensive reaction like that.

[QUOTE=6620386]Originally posted by Lana
I said that in the past two months the VG Vs has gotten bad to a point that I've been having to close tons of threads.

and the new rule change was three months ago?

Oh yeah

Originally posted by Lana
I changed the rules two days ago.

the last two days is within the last two months...

Originally posted by Lana
Not knowing the rules does not in anyway excuse one from breaking them, sorry to say.
I'm not saying it does. I'm saying people make mistakes.

And guess what? People will make vs threads around the boards if you remove them, why? Because they didn't read the NO VS THREADS rule.

Originally posted by Lana
And nearly everytime I close a thread I state which rule it is breaking and why it is being closed.
And? That's part of being a mod.

Originally posted by Lana
And yeah, I do believe that most people are fine with the change. Why? Because I've had people openly tell me that they liked the change, and was thanked for it (and for cleaning up threads). How many complaints have I gotten? Only people who have are Jinzin and yourself.
OH ad ignoratum... yeah, Personal ancedotes have no bearing on objective truth so I'm affraid that unless you're a mind reader you have no idea how many people are upset but are remaining quiet. But you know those don't count, do they?

Originally posted by Lana
And Cresh, I've never even SEEN you in the VG Vs, to be honest.
Well gee, I suggest you look a little harder, maybe actually participate in some?

Cause the only reason you haven't seen me is you haevn't looked. 😆

Originally posted by Lana
My actions did not cause people to break rules that had been in place for months,
And?

the people who were breakign the rules were the ones that decided to put in MORE RULES!

umm... no. That would still be you.

Originally posted by Lana
hate to break it to you. I AM living up to my responsibility as a mod.quote] Never said that. I said that you were upset about some of your responsibilitys, not that you weren't doing them.

[QUOTE=6620386]Originally posted by Lana
And that is by changing the rules to counter the fact that people had been abusing the very lenient ones that had been in place since before I even was a mod.

So because people can't follow the lieniet rules, we'll put more rules on them for them to break...

Originally posted by Lana
I am making no excuses at all;quote] Uh yeah, you are. You may think they're reasons, but no one put a gun to your head and told you to make the new rules... and if they did you should call the police.

[QUOTE=6620386]Originally posted by Lana
however you are making excuses for those who don't follow the rules or believe themselves above them.quote] Uh no I'm not. I'm nto saying that people shouldn't follow the rules, I'm saying take responsability for your own actions.

people will be people. You should have expected people to break the rules.

But putting up more rules will not make people follow the rules, nor will it make them read the rules.

I still fail to see how it will. You can't change human nature like that. and stop blaming the users for your own actions.

[QUOTE=6620386]Originally posted by Lana
Have you ever thought of the fact that of all the forums on KMC, the Vs forums and those who frequent them tend to have the worst reputations on here -- even worse than that of the OTF, which is refered to as the KMC Toilet? Ever think that maybe, just maybe, there are reasons for that?

Yup, cause its a collection of trash that I would rather not exist elsewhere.

And seriously.

Okay dig this. The embittered towards vs mods think that if there is no forum for vs threads there will be no vs threads.

So since there is no anime vs forum there should be no anime vs threads in the anime forum right:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t405538.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t297523.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t406253.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t404411.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t402873.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t403322.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f74/t403250.html

So those don't exist right?

Originally posted by Captain REX
Dude, Cresh, just STFU, you don't even post in any of the Vs. forums we're talking about, you're just challenging us because you feel like it. 😐
I suggest you take another look. You'll see that I have indeed posted in each of them.. know how I know even without knowing which ones you're talking about?

Cause I bloody ****ing posted in all of them.

Originally posted by Captain REX
And by the lack of Vs. threads, I meant if the forums were closed NOW. Logic tells us that they existed before and that people had a demand for a Vs. section, otherwise the sections wouldn't exist. But if the Vs. forums grew absurd and had to be removed, then there wouldn't be any Vs. threads because we'd disallow them.
OH oh so you like the more work, and you like complaining about it...

There wouldn't be any cause you'd disallow it.

Yeah, cause you know disallowing things means that people won't do it...

So tell me, people are breaking the rules right? Doing things you don't allow?

Originally posted by BakaXero
and yet you make a forum to let them loose and they go all out...and there's more then ten times what there would be, cause people think or theres a vs section what kind of combination can i put together. I know i put A and B together they have no simulairties what so ever but now at least now there's a thread about it.
Wanna try rephrasing that rambling into coherent sentences?

Oh, and please have it have somerelevence to what I said? 🙂

you know what?

have a nice day 😐

can't be ****ed talking to you. there's something really thick blocking the way.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-21,GGLG:en&q=site%3Akillermovies%2Ecom+inurl%3Af85+creshosk

Originally posted by BakaXero
you know what?

have a nice day 😐

can't be ****ed talking to you. there's something really thick blocking the way.

That would be your skull. 🙂

Originally posted by Creshosk
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-21,GGLG:en&q=site%3Akillermovies%2Ecom+inurl%3Af85+creshosk

You never post in the vs game forum 😠

*Looks at link* oh shit he does shock

Your stubborn idiocy astounds me, Creshosk. Why I defended you from fanboys awhile back is unknown to me now...

Now drop the silly retorts and let it lie, or I'll go grab a global mod.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Your stubborn idiocy astounds me, Creshosk. Why I defended you from fanboys awhile back is unknown to me now...
What do I care?

Oh you defended me! I have to change my opinion... or how about no?

Originally posted by Captain REX
Now drop the silly retorts and let it lie, or I'll go grab a global mod.
Yeah, can't counter my points so you call me a stubborn idiot and threaten to ban me to silence my opinion. Very nice.