Originally posted by ScarletSpeed
it's adobe animation I'm using just now, the substitute for imagready on CS3.can't do much with it, without it taking up so much size limit.
Originally posted by The Grey Fox
I use Photoshop CS4 currently, I think it has Imageready built in.
Right, well, a few very important tips - keep the window on Optimized GIF, as that will display the file size in the corner. Adjust the number of colors. And make sure you always use "Save Optimized As".
Originally posted by Peach
Right, well, a few very important tips - keep the window on Optimized GIF, as that will display the file size in the corner. Adjust the number of colors. And make sure you always use "Save Optimized As".
that helped a little, cheers 😛
It's just that I don't want to resort to a seizure sigs 😆
considering everyone hates them 😆
Originally posted by PeachTried this, but I had to degrade the quality too much, ended up looking horrible. No worries though, it wasn't that important.
Right, well, a few very important tips - keep the window on Optimized GIF, as that will display the file size in the corner. Adjust the number of colors. And make sure you always use "Save Optimized As".
I think the Official Banned Members thread should be reopened, or a similar thread created. I do think that there should be an outlet where Members can civilly discuss actions of the Moderating Squad on KMC. I don't see the harm in having a public discussion of what happened on KMC, it might even change the mind of a Mod on a decision. I agree that it shouldn't be abusive, but we are all a community here, we all write together and it's all our experience together. Yes Raz has the ultimate power, but feedback from the Members that actually make KMC a success should be evaluated I believe. It would also give the chance of someone that believes they have been wrongly accused of something to voice their opinion, without causing the particular thread to go off topic (which, as far as I can tell is one of the major reason for bans. And one of the most needless, too).
On the whole I think it would have only advantages.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think the Official Banned Members thread should be reopened, or a similar thread created. I do think that there should be an outlet where Members can civilly discuss actions of the Moderating Squad on KMC. I don't see the harm in having a public discussion of what happened on KMC, it might even change the mind of a Mod on a decision. I agree that it shouldn't be abusive, but we are all a community here, we all write together and it's all our experience together. Yes Raz has the ultimate power, but feedback from the Members that actually make KMC a success should be evaluated I believe. It would also give the chance of someone that believes they have been wrongly accused of something to voice their opinion, without causing the particular thread to go off topic (which, as far as I can tell is one of the major reason for bans. And one of the most needless, too).On the whole I think it would have only advantages.
You bastard, I'm calling ...uh.... the A.S.I.O (Anti-Stealing Ideas Organization) I was talking to you about this last night 😛
Anywho, as Bardock said before I could, this is an idea I agree with.
Originally posted by ImpedimentWell, it would have to be kept in place, but it is extremely frustrating to people not being allowed to discuss what happens on KMC within the community.
As much as I would like to agree with your idea, Bardock, you and I both know that such a thread would eventually, and very quickly, turn into a mod bash thread. I don't think that it'll happen.
But I agree, it probably won't happen.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think the Official Banned Members thread should be reopened, or a similar thread created. I do think that there should be an outlet where Members can civilly discuss actions of the Moderating Squad on KMC. I don't see the harm in having a public discussion of what happened on KMC, it might even change the mind of a Mod on a decision. I agree that it shouldn't be abusive, but we are all a community here, we all write together and it's all our experience together. Yes Raz has the ultimate power, but feedback from the Members that actually make KMC a success should be evaluated I believe. It would also give the chance of someone that believes they have been wrongly accused of something to voice their opinion, without causing the particular thread to go off topic (which, as far as I can tell is one of the major reason for bans. And one of the most needless, too).On the whole I think it would have only advantages.
I agree completely.
But, as already mentioned, it ain't gonna happen.
I have the bad feeling that it can't stay civil, I mean look at what happened in the OTF just this night. On the other hand, one specific outlet could be better monitored and therefore likely be kept in check.
On the other hand, the topic is one that makes people (especially those that have been banned for however a justified reason) quite angry. So I don't know if anything can really come from it.
Originally posted by Peach
It would never stay civil, which is why the last thread became a problem. That, and, it wasn't there to discuss bans, just ask why someone was banned, which is no longer needed.
good point....although i think a link in the ban tags at the bottom of banned member's profiles to the threads and pages where their offences took place would allow members to judge for themselves
i've noticed bans getting handed out to long standing members such as chillmeistergen and i have no idea what caused it other than the brief description given in the profile...i have no idea what thread or on what topic the argument came about...
not that i think a link to the offence should be used as a way to question the mods...it's just i could be having a perfectly civil conversation in one thread with another member and next thing i know they're banned for something that happened in an unnamed topic that i cant find
this isn't specific to chill...just a general observation
Originally posted by jaden101
good point....although i think a link in the ban tags at the bottom of banned member's profiles to the threads and pages where their offences took place would allow members to judge for themselvesi've noticed bans getting handed out to long standing members such as chillmeistergen and i have no idea what caused it other than the brief description given in the profile...i have no idea what thread or on what topic the argument came about...
not that i think a link to the offence should be used as a way to question the mods...it's just i could be having a perfectly civil conversation in one thread with another member and next thing i know they're banned for something that happened in an unnamed topic that i cant find
this isn't specific to chill...just a general observation
Its not really individual members right to judge on it though is it- that's what creates the ruckess'. I can't think why you'd care anyway...
Although, even if there is a thread where there is allot of bickering/bashing whatever going on...why does it matter...let people blow of steam and ***** about how evil Ush is or how WD was in the wrong to ban someone...it isn't going to affect the board really- its not like the posters will revolt and seize KMC's airports!
In saying that I guess Mods wouldn't like to be publicly bashed and so would be less willing to enforce the rules strictly in the future...but they should be more thick-skinned than that...
First of all, mods do have feelings and it is absolutely wrong, having put in the time and effort that they have, to leave them subjected to snide, clique-based attacks on the work they do. There is no way that is ever going to be allowed to happen. Mods here have the right to do their work unmolested in such ways- that is not a point of debate, it is a fact in the context of moderating these boards.
Secondly, talk about thick-skinned all you want- which shows a distinct lack of empathy- but the truth of the matter is that large group attacks like this can and do affect the work of mods- that's simply the way it is- and it is totally unacceptable. We get to the point where certain members start to think they can break rules with impunity simply by crying foul and bringing such group attacks in to support them whenever a mod acts against them.
Personally I don't give a damn what anyone says. But the fact is these threads serve only to create argument, encourage abusive beahviour and increase bad feeling all around- they are a complete and total waste of time.
Absolutely the worst and most outrageous behaviour I have ever sene on the boards has come from such threads. Blow off steam in private- it is not a board privilege to do it here, and more than that, it is disruptive to the boards to do it here. No thread like that will ever exist again.
It just seems like members have no way of doing anything about any Mod's decision. And we have feelings, to, many of us have much invested into the boards. We have friends we talk to day to day, or other social events we participate in...to me it's just like we have no way at all to do anything, we are absolutely the subject to your powers, and, yes, I do realize you discuss things with each other in private, which might bring some safety to the members, but I have never once seen any Global Mod not stand behind anothers decision, so it doesn't really help the guy that's gone with for 10 days, and now has a final warning, and basically doesn't know what to do, as any one behaviour can suddenly be a bannable offense. Now, Raz hasn't been on in over 6 weeks, and discussing with Mods, doesn't seem to change anything, just stops after a while and nothing ever comes of it.
And, I do realize this is not a democracy, I realize that, you could basically do what you want on here and just restrain yourself, I'm just trying to say how it feels for some members at least, and that some sort of chance to protect ourselves together, would be valuable. I do think that there have been bad things going on in the, banned thread, for example, but the worst behaviour I have seen...not by a long shot. It's still more civil than many other things, and at most it's 4-5 members that moan about a decision...but as I said, decisions are, as far as I recall, never publicly called wrong...which just seems weird.
I mean, I've been here 4 years...I wrote 60 000 posts to people scattered over almost every forum...I made many, many friends here...and still, I have absolutely no freaking clue what to do to not get banned...absolute standard behaviour, imo, that everyone indulges in the particular forum gets you banned without a warning...and I can't get an explanation from anyone...the mods I talked to, at least, haven't even seen it, and wouldn't utter an opinion on it, either way, I suppose. Well, you know, I've been banned three times (for a different offense, each), and now I am worried that behaviour, that never before has attracted any mod attention, that mods even indulged in, and that's still going on in the forum I most frequent and probably everywhere else, can just get me banned permanently...
Sorry, it's quite unstructured, I, suppose it comes across as whining about my ban anyways...
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I can't think why you'd care anyway...
I don't...i just get curious when a long time member gets banned...someone i've had discussions with over the last couple of years...and all i get (if it's even there) is a 1 sentence description of why they were banned.
call it the forum equivalent of car crash rubber neckers
Blow off steam in private
could you clarify what you mean by this in relation to arguing with another member please. cheers
i would also think it prudent that if mods didn't want groups of members to "attack" them on the boards then surely all warnings should be given by pm...i don't think publicly scalding someone in a thread is appropriate and is probably counter productive as it's seems it's more of a way to try and humiliate a member rather than to get them to alter their behaviour...and thus they go on the defensive as anyone would.
Originally posted by jaden101
I don't...i just get curious when a long time member gets banned...someone i've had discussions with over the last couple of years...and all i get (if it's even there) is a 1 sentence description of why they were banned.call it the forum equivalent of car crash rubber neckers
could you clarify what you mean by this in relation to arguing with another member please. cheers
i would also think it prudent that if mods didn't want groups of members to "attack" them on the boards then surely all warnings should be given by pm...i don't think publicly scalding someone in a thread is appropriate and is probably counter productive as it's seems it's more of a way to try and humiliate a member rather than to get them to alter their behaviour...and thus they go on the defensive as anyone would.
I dunno if your second suggestion would work- indeed surely it would make your "confusion" over why people were banned worse? After all what would happen is users would just get banned and noone would know why other than them and the Mod- that sort of confusion would then lead to people going all out to attack mods decisions as they can't see the context in which it was made.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
First of all, mods do have feelings and it is absolutely wrong, having put in the time and effort that they have, to leave them subjected to snide, clique-based attacks on the work they do. There is no way that is ever going to be allowed to happen. Mods here have the right to do their work unmolested in such ways- that is not a point of debate, it is a fact in the context of moderating these boards.Secondly, talk about thick-skinned all you want- which shows a distinct lack of empathy- but the truth of the matter is that large group attacks like this can and do affect the work of mods- that's simply the way it is- and it is totally unacceptable. We get to the point where certain members start to think they can break rules with impunity simply by crying foul and bringing such group attacks in to support them whenever a mod acts against them.
Personally I don't give a damn what anyone says. But the fact is these threads serve only to create argument, encourage abusive beahviour and increase bad feeling all around- they are a complete and total waste of time.
Absolutely the worst and most outrageous behaviour I have ever sene on the boards has come from such threads. Blow off steam in private- it is not a board privilege to do it here, and more than that, it is disruptive to the boards to do it here. No thread like that will ever exist again.
I understand what your saying and I get that not all mods are comfortable with the hate mobs that sometimes form...(if indeed any Mods are) yet at the same time I understand why people want to know why a friend of theirs was banned- obviously this thread thing is never going to return- and nor should it it seems- but I bet the comments you aren't getting in those threads is still coming to you by PM.
Yet at the same time, I don't see this as being a major issue- its not often you see members get banned anyway... however I think we can all agree us western thinkers do get itchy under the collar at the idea of an unrestricted/unaccountable police force.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I dunno if your second suggestion would work- indeed surely it would make your "confusion" over why people were banned worse? After all what would happen is users would just get banned and noone would know why other than them and the Mod- that sort of confusion would then lead to people going all out to attack mods decisions as they can't see the context in which it was made.
that's why the section in the banned members profile is more effective
all that would be needed is
"member banned after several warning via pm for behaviour in this thread" and then post a link
that way the moderator has done a good job both in showing the member has been banned and why.
you only need to see the way people react when being scalded on the boards to see that public warnings are counter productive.
i've had run-ins with mods on the public boards that have resulted in a much more civil discussion via pm because it removes all the chest puffing, try-to-impress and show-off bullshit that comes with public arguments.