Originally posted by Da Pittman
No because on the post has the word "creationism" and the title has the word "v" in it as you typed in it so this is a valid result. I typed in "Creation vs Evolution" and the first results were just that. Switching it around will do nothing because it is the search query that you would need to modify not the order of the fields that it checks. What happens when I type in "creationism v evolution" and only search the titles "Sorry, but no results were found for your search."
And you don't consider that a serious flaw with the search engine? That the missing out of 1 letter means you don't get what you're looking for?
Surely you shouldn't even need to go into the "advanced search" options to find what you're looking for unless it's something very specific like a single post that you want to quote.
When we are in Comics Forum part, can the admin edit it so there's a link to go to the vs forum instead of the movies or just add vs in with it. I know its something minor but would be a tad quicker and make allot more sense considering its more active than movies.
Also why doesn't the movies section become the sub-forum and the comic section become the main part. I know its small but this seems to make more sense than having a hardly used part be the one people see first.
Originally posted by jaden101No because it did what you asked it to do. If you want Raz to spend millions on a logic engine to check for things like misspellings, commons words like "vs", "but" "a" and the like then he could compete with Google. Most simple DB query will chunk the words so you would have 3 separate strings that it is searching for or a literal string which would be an exact match to what you typed. You can add in more code to help the search "think" what you wanted to search for and use percentages of the return but even this is a guessing game. With the billions of possible combinations that can happen it can be very problematic to program.
And you don't consider that a serious flaw with the search engine? That the missing out of 1 letter means you don't get what you're looking for?Surely you shouldn't even need to go into the "advanced search" options to find what you're looking for unless it's something very specific like a single post that you want to quote.
I have seen search tools that are FAR worse then the one that vBulletin uses, and they are one of the more popular PHP forms out there for the money and do a pretty good job.
You didn't have to go into the advanced options, they came up on the first page but since you think that it should have known that you meant "Creation vs Evolution" but typed in "creationism v evolution" that it should have been the same result. There are a few things and not just one letter in the Vs but you used "creationism" and not "Creation" which the search still found it because the similarity was there in the posts. However your non-relevant post did use the exact word of "creationism" that you typed. Also if you looked at that thread you would have noticed they had a debate about creationism and evolution in that very same thread.
Originally posted by jaden101
And you don't consider that a serious flaw with the search engine? That the missing out of 1 letter means you don't get what you're looking for?Surely you shouldn't even need to go into the "advanced search" options to find what you're looking for unless it's something very specific like a single post that you want to quote.
Oh. Okay. I know what this guy is talking about, now. He wants "fuzzy searches".
Basically, it would have to index all of this text and a fuzzy search engine (configured) would have to be used. It's not super expensive...but I have NO idea how in the world it would be implemented on this stie. Raz doesn't have access to the server, does he? He gets what he pays for from cBulletin. I don't even know if fuzzy searches are even used on any forum...unless the owner wrote up his/her own bulletin software and incorporated a fuzzy search engine.
Parameters on fuzzy searches can be set by case, missing letters, exclusion of certain characters like numbers, etc. I would take a bit to configure it the way you would want it on this board. But, you can probably turn off case sensitive searches and put the maximum number of "fuzzy" characters to like 3 or four.
For example,
Searching for the word "advanced" can have a maximum fuzzy search of three characters.
In other words, the fuzzy search engine would search that text by putting three wild card characters in the word "advanced" by all possible combinations. It would search for "ad***ced", "***anced", "*d*a*ced", etc. Even the end could have all of those wild card characters. Making it fuzzy like that will net many more results and eliminate some misspelling that may occur from the searcher or the person who posted. Of course, it requires a lot more system resources and it requires nice indexing.
Is there a chance that the Unhosted/Hosted Role Plays forum has a 2nd moderator appointed to it in addition to Ushgarak? (If not more, then to just the permission threads) I'm asking this with no disrespect intended towards Ushgarak and I'm sure that there's a good reason for everything. Could be busy with his own things, or in real life.
I'm not blaming him for anything, but it's been over a month now since a word was last given in the thread where you request permission to host a roleplay, and looking back, it's fairly often more than two weeks between the approving of roleplays.
It's my understanding that it is common with a delay for a roleplay to get approved. It's maybe not my place to state an opinion in this matter, so I'll say no more for now. What I want to add as a final input is the question if it's possible to maybe, if it's growing weary for Ushgarak (For whatever reason), appoint a 2nd moderator authority to approve a roleplay, if one is willing to pick up the cup and help.
I'm asking for the reason that there are for example 15 people waiting for one roleplay in particular (And has been for some time), and it's holding back what could be fun times for those that aren't participating in already ongoing roleplays.
I hope this isn't interpreted the wrong way. I'm speaking with utmost respect for Ushgarak.
Originally posted by dadudemonFunny I have never heard of that term before, I know what you are talking about which is what I was referring to but never heard of that term. Thanks for the info.
Oh. Okay. I know what this guy is talking about, now. He wants "fuzzy searches".Basically, it would have to index all of this text and a fuzzy search engine (configured) would have to be used. It's not super expensive...but I have NO idea how in the world it would be implemented on this stie. Raz doesn't have access to the server, does he? He gets what he pays for from cBulletin. I don't even know if fuzzy searches are even used on any forum...unless the owner wrote up his/her own bulletin software and incorporated a fuzzy search engine.
Parameters on fuzzy searches can be set by case, missing letters, exclusion of certain characters like numbers, etc. I would take a bit to configure it the way you would want it on this board. But, you can probably turn off case sensitive searches and put the maximum number of "fuzzy" characters to like 3 or four.
For example,
Searching for the word "advanced" can have a maximum fuzzy search of three characters.
In other words, the fuzzy search engine would search that text by putting three wild card characters in the word "advanced" by all possible combinations. It would search for "ad***ced", "***anced", "*d*a*ced", etc. Even the end could have all of those wild card characters. Making it fuzzy like that will net many more results and eliminate some misspelling that may occur from the searcher or the person who posted. Of course, it requires a lot more system resources and it requires nice indexing.
However even with a “Fuzzy Search†he still would have came up with the same problem since with the misspelling it would have come up with the exact match first which is what was in that “non-relevant†thread and the other suggestions would have been below.
Originally posted by dadudemonActually we don't use the vB search anymore as I implemented a new search engine a couple years ago, based on Lucene, that is lighting fast.
Oh. Okay. I know what this guy is talking about, now. He wants "fuzzy searches".Basically, it would have to index all of this text and a fuzzy search engine (configured) would have to be used. It's not super expensive...but I have NO idea how in the world it would be implemented on this stie. Raz doesn't have access to the server, does he? He gets what he pays for from cBulletin. I don't even know if fuzzy searches are even used on any forum...unless the owner wrote up his/her own bulletin software and incorporated a fuzzy search engine.
Parameters on fuzzy searches can be set by case, missing letters, exclusion of certain characters like numbers, etc. I would take a bit to configure it the way you would want it on this board. But, you can probably turn off case sensitive searches and put the maximum number of "fuzzy" characters to like 3 or four.
For example,
Searching for the word "advanced" can have a maximum fuzzy search of three characters.
In other words, the fuzzy search engine would search that text by putting three wild card characters in the word "advanced" by all possible combinations. It would search for "ad***ced", "***anced", "*d*a*ced", etc. Even the end could have all of those wild card characters. Making it fuzzy like that will net many more results and eliminate some misspelling that may occur from the searcher or the person who posted. Of course, it requires a lot more system resources and it requires nice indexing.
Check out the original announcement and details of advanced search options to narrow down.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6874573#post6874573
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Funny I have never heard of that term before, I know what you are talking about which is what I was referring to but never heard of that term. Thanks for the info.
That's the common term for it. The jargon term for it is "approximate string matches." I was indirectly involved with setting up and indexing a fuzzy search-able database, which is where I know about this from. And there's more than one type of fuzzy searching algorithms. My "fuzzy" substitution example is just one of multiple "fuzzy" searching types.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
However even with a “Fuzzy Search†he still would have came up with the same problem since with the misspelling it would have come up with the exact match first which is what was in that “non-relevant†thread and the other suggestions would have been below.
Yes he would have. But he would also have gotten threads/posts by relevancy based on his search, too. From my experience, fuzzy search engines are ridiculously accurate and have a few hiccups with each and every search. If the "searcher" knows how to look for it, they can find it, with conventional search engines. If they don't, it's hell trying to do it. The Fuzzy search engine makes things easier if you're stuck in the latter position.
Originally posted by dadudemonWell he did get post relevant to his search, he just thought that because the title of the thread was something different it wasn't relevant to his search when in fact it was.
That's the common term for it. The jargon term for it is "approximate string matches." I was indirectly involved with setting up and indexing a fuzzy search-able database, which is where I know about this from. And there's more than one type of fuzzy searching algorithms. My "fuzzy" substitution example is just one of multiple "fuzzy" searching types.Yes he would have. But he would also have gotten threads/posts by relevancy based on his search, too. From my experience, fuzzy search engines are ridiculously accurate and have a few hiccups with each and every search. If the "searcher" knows how to look for it, they can find it, with conventional search engines. If they don't, it's hell trying to do it. The Fuzzy search engine makes things easier if you're stuck in the latter position.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Is there a chance that the Unhosted/Hosted Role Plays forum has a 2nd moderator appointed to it in addition to Ushgarak? (If not more, then to just the permission threads) I'm asking this with no disrespect intended towards Ushgarak and I'm sure that there's a good reason for everything. Could be busy with his own things, or in real life.
I'm not blaming him for anything, but it's been over a month now since a word was last given in the thread where you request permission to host a roleplay, and looking back, it's fairly often more than two weeks between the approving of roleplays.It's my understanding that it is common with a delay for a roleplay to get approved. It's maybe not my place to state an opinion in this matter, so I'll say no more for now. What I want to add as a final input is the question if it's possible to maybe, if it's growing weary for Ushgarak (For whatever reason), appoint a 2nd moderator authority to approve a roleplay, if one is willing to pick up the cup and help.
I'm asking for the reason that there are for example 15 people waiting for one roleplay in particular (And has been for some time), and it's holding back what could be fun times for those that aren't participating in already ongoing roleplays.
I hope this isn't interpreted the wrong way. I'm speaking with utmost respect for Ushgarak.
Seriously grow some balls. (Yes I know your female) They're people just like you and me, no need to treat them like anything else.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Is there a chance that the Unhosted/Hosted Role Plays forum has a 2nd moderator appointed to it in addition to Ushgarak? (If not more, then to just the permission threads) I'm asking this with no disrespect intended towards Ushgarak and I'm sure that there's a good reason for everything. Could be busy with his own things, or in real life.
I'm not blaming him for anything, but it's been over a month now since a word was last given in the thread where you request permission to host a roleplay, and looking back, it's fairly often more than two weeks between the approving of roleplays.It's my understanding that it is common with a delay for a roleplay to get approved. It's maybe not my place to state an opinion in this matter, so I'll say no more for now. What I want to add as a final input is the question if it's possible to maybe, if it's growing weary for Ushgarak (For whatever reason), appoint a 2nd moderator authority to approve a roleplay, if one is willing to pick up the cup and help.
I'm asking for the reason that there are for example 15 people waiting for one roleplay in particular (And has been for some time), and it's holding back what could be fun times for those that aren't participating in already ongoing roleplays.
I hope this isn't interpreted the wrong way. I'm speaking with utmost respect for Ushgarak.
If 15 people want to play an RP and Ush hasn't been around for awhile, they can just go ahead and if the RP does get a following quickly Ush will allow it to stay. However, most new RPs in that forum last ten mins and then...they die.
Originally posted by FeelGood
Seriously grow some balls. (Yes I know your female) They're people just like you and me, no need to treat them like anything else.