Originally posted by Blue Area VetWell, you will always have people lowballing gladiator in an attempt to save face for their favorite hero be it male or female. Gladiator is one of the few characters that has on-panel feats of being recorded at flying 100 times lightspeed, destroying a planet with striking power, blitzing at near lightspeed. He has a number behind his feats whereas people guess about their favorite character or use weapons to aid them. One thing i will credit h1 about though, he knows gladiators powerset and is one of the few superman fans that credits gladiator powers. One thing people tends to forget is that gladiator is superman in the Marvel universe with a difference being that gladiator does not sundip to get stronger, he has a internal power source, the more he believes in himself, the stronger and more powerful he gets, but hes no main stream hero, so he will be used to make main stream heros look good and will job to other characters as noted by writers. So people tend to use that against gladiator. If he was a main stream hero, he would do the same as any other hero, get knocked around a couple of pages and then proceed to defeat the bad guy or threat and find a way to beat a character that would beat the snot out of him in a forum battle without the hero win thing going for him.
well some people don't want to accept that.
Originally posted by JBL
I think what he is telling you is that if a weight lifter lifts 400lb of earth yet has tried and not come close to being able to destroy the piece of earth, his striking power is not too impressive. When hyperion held back those universes, and gladiator destroyed that planet, people ( well, certain people ) said it was a one time feat or tried to down size their feats, yet when superman benches from a machine, they glorify the feat as if its the greatest strength feat ever which it is not. Plenty characters have done far better. Dont get me wrong, its a great feat, but nowhere near the best.
I understand that point of view, but his argument is missing the evidence that Superman's fist are denser than earth.
I also agree that other characters have ubber feats and this feat is nowhere the best.
Originally posted by JBL
Well, you will always have people lowballing gladiator in an attempt to save face for their favorite hero be it male or female. Gladiator is one of the few characters that has on-panel feats of being recorded at flying 100 times lightspeed, destroying a planet with striking power, blitzing at near lightspeed. He has a number behind his feats whereas people guess about their favorite character or use weapons to aid them. One thing i will credit h1 about though, he knows gladiators powerset and is one of the few superman fans that credits gladiator powers. One thing people tends to forget is that gladiator is superman in the Marvel universe with a difference being that gladiator does not sundip to get stronger, he has a internal power source, the more he believes in himself, the stronger and more powerful he gets, but hes no main stream hero, so he will be used to make main stream heros look good and will job to other characters as noted by writers. So people tend to use that against gladiator. If he was a main stream hero, he would do the same as any other hero, get knocked around a couple of pages and then proceed to defeat the bad guy or threat and find a way to beat a character that would beat the snot out of him in a forum battle without the hero win thing going for him.
Are you saying Superman wins here based on his status as mainstream?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Respectfully, you are getting WAY too caught up into the 5 days. NO HUMAN BEING could bench anything for 5 days straight, so that's where the real world comparisions end. Nothing else matters after that because there is no real world equivalent. Even if one could manage to move their arms up and down for 5 days nonstop, which they couldn't, they would have lifted nothing. If Superman was to lift the equivalent of nothing for three days, then the feat becomes completely unimpressive in terms of a strength showing. I find it amazing that anyone could begin to take an obvious comic book super powered feat that had no other purpose but to be a feat and try derive some sort of meaning from it. Even in a comic book sense, Superman simply does not perform to the level of the strength feat, so how significant is it in the end?
Smh. The 5 days is important BECAUSE he was able to do it like it was nothing.
And it matter because it gives us a measuring feat. Superman holds back. If he wanted to kill someone, they'd be like a bug against a windshield.