Originally posted by Linkalicious
And exactly what gigantic reptiles are you expecting to find in the sewers? Do you really believe there are huge alligators just living down there waiting to be controlled???
i didn't even know he had "control" over reptiles. I'd love to have someone kick down a comic number where he does this.
Everything I've stated about Venom, I can pretty much back up with comic numbers.
But bulletproof skin and the ability to control reptiles are two things that are news to me. I don't have many Spidey comics starring the Lizard, so I admit my knowledge of him is somewhat limited.
A little info on the Lizard
Strength Level: The Lizard has superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) approximately 12 tons.
Known Superhuman Powers: The Lizard possesses a number of superhuman powers endowed by his reptilian form, including his superhuman strength. His powerful leg muscles enable him to clear 12 feet in a standing high jump and 18 feet in a standing broad jump. His alligator-like hide is tougher than human skin, and is capable of resisting the penetration of small caliber bullets. His reaction time is about twice that of the normal human being and he can run at speeds of up to 45 miles per hour.
The Lizard possesses a 6.5-foot tail, which he can whip at speeds up to 70 miles per hour. Like a gecko lizard, his hands and feet have retractable 1-inch hooks growing from the base of his palm and the ball of his foot, and his fingers and toes are covered with scores of tiny claws to create adhesive pads. As a result, the Lizard can support his weight climbing up and down normally intractable surfaces.
When the Lizard, the R-complex of Connors' brain (the most primitive region of the human brain containing the most bestial drives) takes over the cerebellum, causing Connors' mind to become progressively inhuman. The Lizard gains a quasi-telepathic ability to communicate with and command all reptiles within about a one-mile radius of himself.
OK, so his strength isn't much greater than Venoms. His SPEED is far greater, but his ability to jump and his quickness are about similar to that of Venoms.
He can withstand small caliber arms fire, Venom has been able to stop an onslaught of high caliber machine gun fire.
YES, he can control reptiles within a somewhat wide distance, though alligators don't live in the sewers, so i hope he stopped by the zoo before the fight.
For the sake of arguing. I think it's not fair to put the Lizard in a sewer, and it's not fair to put Venom in open city streets. I propose something more neutral for both. How about the fight takes place in a subway station?? I'm open to suggestions.
I'm also not a Lizard-expert, but I always thought he could control (or communicated with) reptiles.
I asked my guru, and he told me to check out Amazing Spider-Man #45. It seems that in this comic, the Lizard used some kind of telepathic command to boss reptiles around.
And now that I think of it, I think I have read that comic, but long long time ago, when animals could still talk.
Originally posted by SUPERMANDAMAN
Well if u read the comics he doesnt have an infinete supply seeing as how his webbing is just part of the sybiot hes shoting out so after he uses to much of it it weakens him that is how spiderman beat him in their first encounter by tricking him into expelling so much of his webbing
yea but of course u havent read the comic so umm ....... it would make so much sence that....... ummm u dont know what ur talking about....... 😆
actually, i have read teh comics, and yes, the symbiote generates its own organic webbing and has an infinite amount of it. At one point, parker actually had leverage but ran out of webbing (just hadded to put in another cartridge, but still) and it gave venom enough time to gain the upper edge.
And even if the webbing does draw from the symbiote... seeing as the symbiote in itself is self-regenerating, all he would have to do is wait a good 5 seconds and be back up to full... its not really a disadvantage at all...
well ill post my argument here as well
The Lizard's info:
Intelligence: Genius (and yes he has all of his genius in Lizard form)
Strength: Class 12 (able to lift or press 12 tons)
Speed: Near-Superhuman
Durability: Practically bullet-proof
Fighting Skills: Normal
Powers:
-Superhuman strength and speed and the ability to climb sheer surfaces
-Limited invulerability
-Mental communication with and control over reptiles in a one-mile radius
-Wields his tail as a weapon and can swing it at more than 70 mph
Venom's info:
Intelligence: Normal
Strength: Class 11 (able to lift or press 11 tons)
Speed: Normal
Durability: Regenarative
Fighting Skills: Normal
Powers:
-Superhuman strength and agility, as well as the ability to spin web-like strands and scale sheer surfaces
-Immunity to Spider-Man's early warning danger sense (Spider Sense)
-Mimicry of any individual's appearance
Lizard's power Average: 3.167
Venom's power Average: 2.5
that means the Lizard is *significantly* stronger
nice info...where the heck did it come from.
Lizard is NOT a genius...he is a brutal savage.
Since when is Venom's speed "average"?
What's this "regenerative" b/s. It's more than bulletproof...AND regenerative.
I don't know where this "power average" comes from, but it's utter nonesense.
State your source...if it's reliable enough. Otherwise show comic proof of "genius intelligence" and this "limited invulnerability"
and i figured someone like you would say something so here it is in layman's terms
The Lizard's info: (on a scale from 1-7)
Intelligence: 5
Strength: 4
Speed: 2
Durability: 5
Fighting Skills: 2
Venom's info:
Intelligence: 2
Strength: 4
Speed: 2
Durability: 4
Fighting Skills: 2
and THATS where i got the averages
Venoms overall stats average at a 2 and the Lizard's is 3.167
i think that lizzard stats are the stats of both "forms" of the lizzard. The older one and the newer one (when he was fighting scarlet spider the first time he mutated further). In his newer form, he did actually gain the bulletproof stuff, and his strength did increase, HOWEVER he lost control of his mind entirely. He was no more than an animal. he did not come up with any schemes, or fight with any idea in mind. It was purely kill or be killed, thats how he was beaten so easily in the end.
Venom's intelligence is FAR higher than a mere "2". Brock himself boarders on genius (though being psychotic might make that a little less) yet as a fighter, i have yet to see a "smarter" fighter than Venom. He is always planning out every attack, assessing his opponent weaknesses, etc.
As i said in my first post, this would be a very close match. But venom's recovery (it only takes him 5 to 10 seconds to recover back to full strength after being near death) and his ability to actually think give him more of an edge. Now, if they were in the sewers or very inclosed area, I think the lizzard could come out on top. If they were in the streets, Venom, no question.