venom vs the lizard

Originally posted by Kontraz
actually, i have read teh comics, and yes, the symbiote generates its own organic webbing and has an infinite amount of it. At one point, parker actually had leverage but ran out of webbing (just hadded to put in another cartridge, but still) and it gave venom enough time to gain the upper edge.

And even if the webbing does draw from the symbiote... seeing as the symbiote in itself is self-regenerating, all he would have to do is wait a good 5 seconds and be back up to full... its not really a disadvantage at all...

/shrug, then maybe he's changed a lot since then. THe lizzard has changed a lot since his first incarnation as well. For one, he can't think straight enough to come up with any sort of scheme....

Originally posted by mitchellgg_00
the lizard would win hes fast and stronger then venom lizard rules

Based soley on the fact that HE thinks Lizard will win....I KNOW that Venom would win.

Well how do u know that ?

because he has an intelligence level higher than 2.... and by "he" i mean Link...

this would be a sweet battle to see its pretty close i'd actually go with lizard on this one hes really strong and fast but i could be wrong

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Oh how great it is to have Mitchell dwelling on these forums.

-AC

venom all the way

Lizard has his speed, savage attacks and strength over Venom.

Venom has webbing, ability to use his symbiote in battle, and more genius in battle tactics.

I'm pretty sure Venom would beat Lizard, but not quick. This would be a very long battle.

If it were Carnage though, Lizard would meet his match in speed and strength. Carnage would woop him using his symbiote-made weapons.

Have any of you played the first spidey game that came out on psx and pc? you know.......the one where venom goes into the sewers, beats up and locks the lizard in a cage before spidey gets there.

Im going with venom

oh yeah, lol, forgot all about that! Venom gains another point!

They have fought before. It was in the novel 'The Lizard Sanction' by Diane Duane. The fight was innterrupted before it could go on, but it seemed that the Lizard was winning.

Basically Venom launched a bunch of webbing/tendrils, but the Lizard just batted it all aside, grabbed hold of it, yanked Venom towards him, staggered him with a big punch, then picked him up as if he was weightless and sent him flying.

It would depend on location and the like, but overall, I'd say the Lizard.

I think the Lizard has this one he has to many advantages to be ignored.

You guys are being too 'scientific' with all the stats. Stats don't mean anything in a fight. The fact is, Spider-Man has never REALLY beaten the Lizard. I have virtually all his appearances *in Spider-Man comics I mean* and each time Spider-Man either only wins by changing him back to Curt Connors or the Lizard leaves after beating him rather than killing him. The only time the Lizard was really 'savage', in terms of being unable to think or talk, was when he was controlled by Calypso.

As for Venom, I also have all of his Spider-Man appearances, though granted he has appeared so much in other places so I may be behind the times, but Spider-Man also has never REALLY beaten Venom either, in terms of fighting ability. He's just outsmarted him. Fact is, Lizard and Venom are both stronger than Spider-Man, but Venom has more vulnerabilities than Lizard, not just fire or sonics. Lizard doesn't have to be a genius to rip the symbiote off Brock or anything. The fight of course would not have a REAL ending because no comic writer will give us that satisfaction as they are two A-list enemies, but the Lizard would probably overpower Venom and then leave. He always seems to leave after a fight.

Oh, as for Carnage, he wouldn't beat either one. Whichever one of you said he was far stronger than either Lizard or Venom is mistaken, unless of course something has happened to him in the past year as I have stopped reading comics. But the classic Carnage always got his ass kicked by Venom in a one-on-one match. Yes he's got the weapons from his symbiote, but Lizard would be too fast or strong for him.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Oh, as for Carnage, he wouldn't beat either one. Whichever one of you said he was far stronger than either Lizard or Venom is mistaken, unless of course something has happened to him in the past year as I have stopped reading comics. But the classic Carnage always got his ass kicked by Venom in a one-on-one match. Yes he's got the weapons from his symbiote, but Lizard would be too fast or strong for him.

no, you have it backward. The original carnage was able to easily beat venom in one on one, thats why he had to team up with spidey. The newer carnage is about the same strength, but venom's physical strength has more than doubled (he absorbed carnage's symbiote and gained its power on top of his).

and, sorry, but the lizzard at his peak, when he went 100% prehistoric or whatever, was beaten by a fire extinguisher and some webbing.... not too impressive.

No, Spider-Man was beaten one-on-one, not Venom. Spider-Man had to go after Venom and request his help. In the Maximum Carnage saga, Venom nearly killed Carnage until Spider-Man stopped him. I do seem to remember Venom absorbing Carnage, so that would obviously make him much stronger, but again, it was Spider-man who was beaten, not Venom.

When was the Lizard *not Lizzard* beaten by a fire extinguisher? Webbing was never able to hold him, he could rip it easily, something plenty of Spidey's villains could not do. Besides, Lizard is weaker when he's 'prehistoric', he's much stronger when he has his faculties because he can plan things rather than just mindlessly jump around.

all this time i thought carnage could easily beat venom, like he said to venom in carnage unleashed (part 4 i think) "We can kick both your real and your cyber butt"....and i thought venom got beat up by carnage at the beginning of maximum carnage comics and the game (for snes)....and oh yeah- he also got beat up by carnage in the 1st spidey game that came out for psx