Originally posted by §nakehead
No just a bit more realistic. The biggest problem is batman Is a moody dark character and his vow not to kill kinda is a problem for his character
Originally posted by punkyhermy
How?
The fact that he will never resort to killing is what separates him deeply from his opponents.Batman is as crazy as his opponents are and the only sane descision he made as Batman is to never kill!
the punisher kills villins......and hes very seperate for his villians
Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion, but it seems pretty clear to me that most Batman fans don't agree with you here. Of course, some people think Batman should kill or be more violent; you only need to read the letter pages durring the Azbat days to realize this. But even more people hated him; they thought he was a violent, unsympathetic psychopath; people swore that they wouldn't pick up another Batman comic until the "real," non-killing Batman came back (and it's not just because they were fans of Bruce Wayne; this didn't happen during the Prodigal story).
You think that things would be improved by getting rid of the Joker and the rest of the Rogue's gallery and replacing them with drug lords and the like. But if you ask people to name their favorite DC villians, a lot of them are going to name the Joker (you can see that on this very board); the fact is that Batman's villains are some of the most well-known, popular villains in the DCU.
So basically what I'm saying is that you have your opinion, and your entitled to it, but you're also in a distinct minority--most people don't seem to want Batman to kill, and most people don't want to see his villains disappear.
Nothing wrong with adding some new villians to the mix I agree on that,BATMAN doesnt have as many qulaity villians as say spiderman,but no need to change his origin story and have him grow up poor in detroit for that. 😕 thats why I hated the batman films so muc because they were nothing at all like the comic and your idea is doing the same thing,totally changing the comics.
Yeah more villains WITHOUT superpowers would be good too.
I like classic style non-super powered villains like Joker, Scarecrow and The Riddler and Two-Face. They are just blokes being bad - with some awesome brain power.
I don't mind the likes of Bane either - but I never understood why the likes of Poison Ivy and Mr Freeze ended up in Batmans world.
And giving Batman self-propelled flight isn't turning him into Iron Man at all. I never even said he should fly - more like boost-and-glide. Iron Man can just fly and can stay flying, Batman would only fly or glide for a few econds before having to land. It would make sense.
They wont be converted, I love Bats
I also like Spiderman, He is number 3 on my superhero list or so, But I will say Spiderman does not need to be impove, I like Spiderman the way he is, I like Batman the way he is, and I like DD the way he is,
Most super heros do not need to be impove. and Batman is one of the heros's who does not need impovement.
You guys need to read the old Batman comics from the 30s and 40s. He DID kill two thugs on a rooftop, he shot and killed the Monk, he choked Dr. Death's henchman to death, he snapped some thug's neck, he pushed a guy out a window, and pushed a guy into a vat of acid! Batman DOES kill! And Snakehead, I like your idea slightly, yes make him a little more violent, yes let him kill, but no, don't let him be poor, and don't take away the Super criminals. Oh and a Kingpin character in Batman would be slick.
P.S. I'm 1 of Batman's #1 fans
Originally posted by Bat Dude
You guys need to read the old Batman comics from the 30s and 40s. He DID kill two thugs on a rooftop, he shot and killed the Monk, he choked Dr. Death's henchman to death, he snapped some thug's neck, he pushed a guy out a window, and pushed a guy into a vat of acid! Batman DOES kill!
You need to read the Crisis On Infinite Earths, where that version of Batman ceases to exist. In fact, that Batman is nothing like the current Batman. He cracks jokes and says things like, "Being an American citizen is reward enough"; they might as well be two different characters (which, thanks to the Crisis, they in fact are).
Hate to tell you, but some of the events in Crisis have been overturned thanks to series like Zero Hour and Kingdom Come.
Anyway, The Batman, any version of Batman, should never kill. He came close a few times with the Joker, but he never crossed the line completely. And he should not.If he did, and went over the edge, he would be too much like Hal Jordan.