An Idea for enproving batman

Most people were not around back in the 30's and 40's and most people know Batman as someone who would NEVER kill under any circumstances.Thats why Burtons Batman movies turned people off because Most people know Batman as the guy who would never take another life no matter how evil they were.That batman that Bat dude mentioned,yeah he killed, but that was when he carried a gun,when he stopped carrying a gun,he did not kill people anymore.Thats why I have a problem with Burtons Batman movies because Batman did not carry a gun in those movies and of course the Batman that stopped carrying the gun in the comics,did not kill anymore.Like it was already mentioned, Batman killing people like The Punisher is a big turn off to many batman fans.

Yeah Batman doesn't kill, drop it, and lets leave it at that shall we?

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You guys need to read the old Batman comics from the 30s and 40s. He DID kill two thugs on a rooftop, he shot and killed the Monk, he choked Dr. Death's henchman to death, he snapped some thug's neck, he pushed a guy out a window, and pushed a guy into a vat of acid! Batman DOES kill! And Snakehead, I like your idea slightly, yes make him a little more violent, yes let him kill, but no, don't let him be poor, and don't take away the Super criminals. Oh and a Kingpin character in Batman would be slick.

P.S. I'm 1 of Batman's #1 fans

dude, that sounds sweet to bad that they dont have those kind of things happen now in the new ones

Batman killed early in the comics, but that change starting late 40's early 50's.

Batman has Thorn who is a kingpin like person lol.

But Joker is still tops.

Rupert Thorne is ok but nothing special. I like The Joker and the Riddler the best.
As for what fans today are aware of with regards to the past Batman stories, do you guys even remember A Death in the Family and A Lonely Place of Dying?
They were story arcs in 1988 and 1989 and featured the death of the Jason Todd Robin and the introduction of Timothy Drake, as well as a climatic fight between Batman and the Joker.

Those stories were before I started to collect comics. I've read them both, of course.

Ah good, then you are already familiar with different eras of the comics, and how what happens in one may not affect another, ie Batman killing or angry enough to kill.

I prefer batman not killing under nervous circumstances but it would be cool if once he got pushed to the limits like in return of the joker.

We are in agreement.

Snakehead is the biggest punisher fanboy around. He just wants to ruin a superior character so he can have another gun frenzy freak.

If batman killed people, he wouldn't be batman. I mean, its such awesomness... Joker kills todd and he STILL holds back? That says something about him. He's one powerful mofo to resist THAT kind of urge.

Yeh, but he came pretty close, and he did the same in Return of the Joker, when he finds out what the Joker did to Drake. If it becomes personal, that is when the true test of his vow to never kill but deliver the crooks to the law, occurs.

Dude, I like violent crimefighters, Batman would be Batman if he killed, and how come no one ever talks about another great villian, Reaper! If you've seen Mask of the Phantasm(looks at PunkyHermy) you would know that this original character was the building blocks for Phantasm(an ok character) but nothing beats the original. And Thorn sucks, Bats needs a challenge, and Burton should be given a plaque for his work on BATMAN.

I like Thorn, he was a good villian in the comics, He some how faded away in the early 80's but the cartoon brought him back lol.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Batman would be Batman if he killed

No, he would not. No more than Azrael was Batman. Look, you're entitled to your opinions, but if you like violent crime-fighters so much, why don't you just read Punisher, Judge Dredd, or the like, instead of advocating changing a popular character in a way almost none of his fans seem to want?

batman has crossed the line a couple times...when tony zurro or whatever his name is (the guy who killed graysons parents) was released from prison batman knew the mob had a hit on him and watched them kill him, did nothing to stop it...he didnt actually kill him himself but he didnt live up to his vow either....it would be damn impossible for batman to not cross the line at least a couple times

well, dude, I do read Punisher, and I do read Batman, and I've seen the movies too. But Bats is becoming a wimp, he doesn't need the tighite whities over his costume, he doesn't need Robin(but keep Nightwing, though he works in Bludhaven)unless he is older than 16(so Joker won't beat his a**) and he needs an all black costume. And have you read the 1988 Batman issue #423? Quote Alfred: "Is The Batman getting soft on us?" YES! And don't get me wrong but he needs to become more like a practical crimefighter that will do anything to destroy crime(but he still rules comics,second is Punisher, third Flash, fourth Human Torch)

Batman is not getting soft, Batman stays the same, He says he DOES not have the right to take a life.

But dude, don't ya think that they should at least make an elseworlds about that kind of Batman? Maybe make him sorta an enigma (not E Nigma) hard to explain, and let Alex Ross do Batman(he rox, second only to Jim Lee) and bring back the old Bats in HIS own series like "Classic Batman" or "Golden Age Batman Returns" that would be kool, and yes he is getting soft, he even admitted it in that issue! And he doesn't need Cluemaster! All the puzzleholics in his city drives me crazy! Riddler, fine, but no more Cluemaster!

Batmand DOES NOT kill. U take that away and he might as well not be THE Batman we all love! It's that fine line that he is always so on the edge of crossing that makes him so conflicting an dinteresting. He DOES get pushed over the edge, alot. But thankfully hasn't crossed the line yet.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
But dude, don't ya think that they should at least make an elseworlds about that kind of Batman?

I think that would be interesting. Batman sometimes kills in Elseworld stories anyway (Joker's Wilde and that one set in a theocracy, can't remember its name), so why not?