Alien vs predator.

I dont want to type forever, I liked it here's why

Posted by A random shemp (No Email) on August 15, 2004 4:15 PM

I'm pretty shocked after reading all these reviews. Its like most of the people who are 'fans' don't know what they are talking about. First off, the 'alliance' between the predator and human is totally believable (although the acting wasn't the greatest) and for all those who say they are fans, maybe they should read, I dunno, the FIRST avp novel, in which a single human woman not only gets an alliance with a predator, she joins them. Second, the suites looked big and bulky because they are supposed to be. As one previous post pointed out, they where there to hunt aliens, not humans (softmeat), and so require heavier armor and longer weapons.

I do agree that the movie could have been longer, with more battle scenes, and less of the 'human' side of things, but come on, we all expected that didn't we? Even though the fight scenes where short, I thought they where extremely well done, especially the scene in which the predator hurls the alien down a corridor. As for the shaking of the camera, I almost felt it was necessary, because it gave a feeling like there where two big, heavy creatures fighting. The far away shots where nice and stable, and they gave good views of both creatures.

Heck, even the two predators that bit it early was a believable addition to the storyline, although I kinda wish they hadn't been killed quite so quickly. You gotta remember, these are inexperienced hunters (even if they are best of the best) doing a right of passage ritual. You'd expect them to have a tough time in close-quarters against their most dangerous enemy.

I know people will think i'm nuts saying the movie was good, but I really couldn't care less. I've waited for this movie for over a decade myself, I've read all the books and comics, played the games, and watch (and own) all the movies. I for one was happy with the outcome.

Movie shoulda been based off the games, they were fun and had great stories. The comic run that followed the girl sucked in my opinion, cuz even the writers for the first movie said that the creature they created would never do such a thing (lost the interview, i think its on one of the AvP game sites, or at least a link...).

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
the aliens are the predators finest prey. the preadotrs travel the universe hunting prey and the aliens are the fiercest and most challenging, why wouldnt they be able to kill them off so quickly? In the stories anytime a pred goes one on one with an alien, the alien takes the victory. besides the movie would have been very one sided if the predators were aloud to live longer. [/B]

You obviously don't remember shit from the books. Oomans are the finest prey, aliens are used for blooding rituals. And they are supposed to be extremely dangerous non-theless, and only fought with burners (shoulder cannons and rifles) except in dire straits. Dachande (Broken Tusk) was reknowned in the books for fighting an alien with just his claws and winning.

I was also pissed about how they left out key pred elements in the movie.... first off, they lacked vision modes... they had 2... red that obviously wasn't the infrared that we had grown to love, and green, which who knows what the hell that was... (and since when did shoulder canons show up on infrared???)

Also, no voice mimicing. Come on people, how can we forget the lines "Over here...", "Turn around...", "Danny Boy..." or the all-time fan favorite "Want some candy?"

Well, they had 2 vision modes because that's all they really needed. I personally like the infrared they used, compared to the infrared from the first 2 movies, we have better technology to put in the movie, why not use it? And the green was to see the aliens of course, since they don't show up on infrared (as said in "Aliens"😉. And I'm not surprised that the canons show up bright red, how the hell else are they gonna find them? If you noticed the beginning, they were downloading data in their helmets before they left, so I'm not surprised that the canons show up like they did. And it was kind of a shame that they didn't mimic any voices, but it's personally nothing I miss that bad though.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
You obviously don't remember shit from the books. Oomans are the finest prey, aliens are used for blooding rituals. And they are supposed to be extremely dangerous non-theless, and only fought with burners (shoulder cannons and rifles) except in dire straits. Dachande (Broken Tusk) was reknowned in the books for fighting an alien with just his claws and winning.

I was exagerating. HOpefully my point still got across though

It sounds like many people convinced themselves they werent going to like this movie before they saw it. Are you really bit*ching about the vision modes? They did show all of the predators visions modes, you must have missed it.It was when the predator was changing over to view the alien inside of the man. The predator diddnt use them all though, because only one was needed for area where they were hunting. everything about the original predators was there. The same for the aliens. Dont forget that the budget on this movie was fairly low. so doing an exact cop up of the video games or novels would have cost triple what it did and would have required a a large cast and also would have been dominated by CGI. Making a movie based on the game or novel's would have been near impossible without a mind boggling budget. Anderson gave us our orignal aliens and predators, the ones we love so much, and the ones that were destroyed by terrible movies in their franchise, anderson has infact ressurected the creatures.

I dont know who said it, but i saw that someone said that the original writers for the predator said that the predator would never pair with a human.. well if anderson was going from the first predator movie this may have been a taboo decision to pair up the predator and human, however , anderson went from everything that is predator and aliens. In the first published aliens VS predator comic in 1987 a predator teamed up with a girl in the very same fashion that happend in the movie. Not to mention that preds have fought alongside of humans to destroy the aliens more times than just a few.

I was just thinking about Predator 2 and how a Predator was beatin by that middle aged man 😆

Hey, don't knock Danny Glover now. He's been kickin' ass with Riggs for years, and if you can hang with that crazy bastard, you can handle anything.😉

Seriously, Rage, you took most of the words right out of my mouth. It's the same reason Quentin Tarantino said in Wizard X why he'd never do a comic based movie, "The reason I'll never do a comic book movie with, like, The Flash or something like that is f*** those comic book geeks man. You can't please them." And I don't blame him either. There's too many people waiting to pick apart the stightest flaws in comic book movies. Now I'll admit, some flaws just can't be ignored, and can make a difference between a good and bad movie. But some are not as serious as everyone makes them out to be. Now everyone should've known that AVP wasn't gonna be no where near Oscar worthy when it came out, and everyone should've known that it wasn't gonna be up to the standards of the comics and possibly the first few movies. But, in my opinion, it was better than I actually thought it would be. Although it could've been longer and had a better storyline to it, but it did a good job nonetheless. That's all I have to say on it for now. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm satisfied enough to buy it when it comes out on DVD.

Now a days you really got to go into a movie with low expectations. Too high and you'll be dissapointed too low and you may be pleasently surprised. Just be objectionable and open to THE DIRECTOR'S point of view. At least they tried, comic geeks are the worst of the bunch and whine and cry about the color of a heroes boot (red instead of Brick red) Why don't the chronic haters get an investment group together along with a digital camera and shoot your perfect movie all by yourself and wait for people to rip your version\vision.

I'll buy the popcorn!

yeah, i know what you are talking about rages, i have the comics... somewhere.... and it wasnt in 1987, it was early 90s sometime, because the FIRST predator comic EVER came out in 89.

But I actually went into this movie thinking it woudl be awesome. I've been counting down the seconds (literally) until its release. I was so psyched. Seriously, for the first 20 minutes or so i had a huge grin on my face, but slowly things began to worsen to the point that I considered walking out because so much of the stuff just seemed so lame.

Yeah, i Know i'm a bit biased cuz i'm a huge pred fan. BUt seriously, the f*cking director was too, only he is a huge alien fan. So of course he is going to try and make the aliens look great, and leave hardcore pred fans feeling ripped.

I felt overall, that the movie was just too short. The innacuracies really weren't THAT bad, if the movie had been longer then it wouldnt get to the point where you have to pick at them. The reason why most people are is because they know the movie was WAY below expectations, so they have to try to understand why. The first scapegoat is the acting, which wasn't really bad. The second is the director, which everyone claims was horrible. It wasn't bad at all, the only thing that hurt this movie was the script. Longer, more in depth, it would have been much better.

Also; It wouldn't have been as expensive as you make it out to be to make the first avp book. The sets would be 10x cheaper, seeing as how it was just a little old outpost that didnt have a rubix cube complex, and it was in the middle of the desert. The only expensive part would be getting enough aliens and predators.

not really, i mean, ALIENS had about 80 aliens or so in it, and they only used something like 12 costumes/puppets/ or whatever at any given time. In AvP, i think there was a shot with 9 aliens in it....

As for preds, same concept, focus on just a few of them, and use a bunch of CGIs in the background, kind of like they did with the final scene.

I didnt really like the original comics though, they still had the whole "preds get along great with the girls" in them. SURE, they had problems with the girl in the comics, but she was still allowed in their society to some extent.

I think they should have been based off the games (more or less). As in have an alien: ressurrection plot where humans have captured an alien queen and are trying to sustain their own hive, then the Preds come a-knocking and all hell breaks loose.

those Aliens in AVP arent costume or CGI. they are mechanical puppets. thats why whey looked so lifelike

Dude, the preds are both costumed AND mechanical. The aliens are mechanical and CGI. No machine on earth can move as smoothly on so many levels as they had the predators moving.

Originally posted by GreatMuta
Now a days you really got to go into a movie with low expectations. Too high and you'll be dissapointed too low and you may be pleasently surprised. Just be objectionable and open to THE DIRECTOR'S point of view. At least they tried, comic geeks are the worst of the bunch and whine and cry about the color of a heroes boot (red instead of Brick red) Why don't the chronic haters get an investment group together along with a digital camera and shoot your perfect movie all by yourself and wait for people to rip your version\vision.

I'll buy the popcorn!

Another good point.

Yeah Kontraz you are right, the first aliens vs predator comics were published in 89, i knew it was 87 or 88 but i checked it is 89. I can understand if you were lagitamantly dissapointed in the film for reasons more reasonable than insignificant technicalities. As for Anderson being biased twords the aliens point of view. Well yes he is a larger Alien Fan. However, i still cannot see how everyone says that he leaned more twords the aliens perspective. Anderson needed a simple story to pull off this movie with the budget he had. So of course he could not drown the movie in a 90 minute slug fest of all out alien and predator mayhem. I think he did an execellent job in showing off the professional killing persona that the predators have.

The fact is that he focused more on the predators design and story than the aliens development. He said he really wanted to give the predator fans somthing new, but keep there original form. He elaborated on their weapons a great deal, I am personally glad he diddnt just fill the movie with there shoulder cannons, this would have been redundant, he gave them some bad ass new weapons, and built up the suspense for the predators in recieving there shoulder cannons. You just knew that when ever one of these bad boys got their hands on there weapons, there was going to be some major alien spanking. I thought he did a great job at that. Yeah he did try to make you care what happend to the celtic pred by killing off the other two so quickly, which i think worked to a point. Also by killing off the other two pred so early, made the encounters with the aliens and Preds that much more important and suspensful.

As to their being no suits in the movie, yeah there was. Anderson actually used two of the original suits from Aliens. one of which he customuized to make more shocking,and the other he left in as an omage. It was basically animatronics though.As for the Predators, they had made four fully functional suits for the film, but only used two.

I finally got to see it, and I take back most of the bad things I said about the movie. I was really eager to se the movie so I went and read lots of different reviews and then reviews here. Anyway I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

I saw the movie expecting to be dissapointed, but I came out pleased and waiting for the next one. Now I understand how the woman came so close to the Predator, she actually earned it. It was funny seing her with the alien head attached to her arm for protection. I'm just wondering how she stuck her hand in there and not get burned?

And finally I understand how those 2 Preds got killed so fast. The first one was distracted and a bit careless, so hence the grusome death. The second one was cool and faught with skill, but also too young and eager. He was going too much head first, but still a nice fight between the 2.

The third Predator did some nice moves considering his body mass. This predator was everything that one should be. I liked those new rotating blades, bigger sliding knifes, the shoulder cannon that remaines incandescent after costant fiering. And who said they didn't use much stealth? They did it enough.

One question though: how come the aliens waren't cold? how did that alien queen fight so eager at that weather? Aren't aliens supposed to be extremly allergic to cold? Remember that in all the movies they situated themselves in the hottest point. And in Resurrection they tortured them with cold freezing air. And I think the queen shouldn't have survived the blast. he should of killed her while still in the pyramid, and then blast it all to hell. Then u make the marked with net Alien follow them while running away. bla bla bla, don't mind me.

Alltogether I'm pleased with the movie, and I think they made a great job with the sfx cuz I heard they didn't have a great budget.

Aliens arent allergic to cold. They can survive in space. In ressurection they are using nitrogen to blast them. The heat is created by the hive for optimal implantation conditions.

I think you got two of the predators mixed up, the big one got killed and the smallest one was the most skillful and died at the very end.

the one that died at the end was just more skillfull because he survived. The eldest of the three was the one of the ones to die early on. I wouldnt look for a sequal though. this film will end up being a near miss in the box office department.After predator three is released, we will not see eigther one of these bad asses on screen again, not unless AvP does surprise everyone and pulls out an underdog success