America: The Greatest Country In The World Or The Closest Thing To Hell On Earth

"and why do u keep bringin aliens into the subject?
and again what has the streets got to do with anythin...i liked there first eva album which was out two or three years ago...i dont listen to music which is on mtv because it is crap....i prefer metal if u must know
and whats christianity got to do with anything...that is a religeon
the illuminati wasnt a one world goverment...is that impossible to believe? hitler wanted a one world goverment..."

A) The Streets reference was to prove a point that you are too oblivious to see.

B) The Christianity thing was given as an example of just how pointless your "pages and pages of info" claim was.

C) Stop making it out to be a fact when you cannot prove it. Technically I can deny their SPECIFIC existance. You cannot prove they are real.

"From the days of [Adam] Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx (Moses Mordecai Levy) and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing"

Everything that breaks people out of their mundane mind workings, grows. It's natural. Some people choose to investigate these theories and follow up what conspiracies they've heard. Others aka You, seem to just sit there and believe it.

-AC

Creechur> Well, then: The point I was trying to make is, that whatever you may think about the NAACP, it is a back-reaction against the sentiment which was at the core of the KKK. And why is such an organisation not outlawed for what it has done in the past?
Point to where I say black racism is any better or worse than white racism? I’m just telling you that whites INVENTED the freaking idea that THEY were somehow superior to people whose melanin-levels were different.
When have YOU experienced being treated worse because of your skin-colour?

”Like I said, I am part of the minority in my state. Apparently, youve never been to certain parts of East Side San Jose and been scared for your life or actually beaten up simply because of your skin color.”
No, excuse me for not having travelled the US thin. It’s just not THAT interesting.

“I have, so don't tell me I haven't been biased against. I've been biased against repeatedly in the face, just because I was white!”
How and when and where did that happen?

“Quit coming at me with this pre-packaged clinical observation crap Omega. Get an original opinion. I've heard all the slogans too, you don't see me mindlessly regurgitating them with no thought whatsoever.”
Oh, so now I ”come” with pre-packaged observations? And you’re the poor oppressed white guy, who yell at minorities because they claim to be poor and oppressed. Quit being such a damn hypocrite for Voltaire’s sake. I’m a woman. So don’t tell me I don’t know what it’s like to be biased against based on something I didn’t chose!
You’re so set and brainwashed in your views it’s impossible to conduct a civilised debate with you. I even tried the best I could, but you start whining and moaning the first chance you get.
(Shakes head)

Dean> No, you just said you were PROUD of the UK. So now it’s “you’re proud but not all the time”?
There’s been written stuff about Jesus and Aliens, too. No proof whatsoever of the existence of either.
Why would Roosevelt say stuff? Well, gimme a link, then I’ll consider your paranoid conspiracy hypothesis. And remember – extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Doh! For ages people actually believed Weishaupts little Illuminati idea was still in effect. READ up on the matter! Or must we take everything Churchill said as the truth?

Why does shrieking nationalism always go hand in hand with the idea that “THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE” are evil and out to get us?

Don't get her started on the Comprehensive education system Dean! 😱

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/p159.htm - roosevelt quote
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/facts/americanwo.html - info on illuminati
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/nwoquotes.html - well known people talkin about illuminati

there is your link omega

yeah i agree extroadinary claims do nead extraordinary proof
all im sayin is that there is so much information on the so called illuminati that i think people shouldnt dismiss it so easily

Sorry, after seeing the endings of Metal Gear Solid 2 and Deus Ex 2, I can never take another conspiracy theory seriously again.

I saw a segment by Michale Moore about a group of business oriented government officials from 8 different contries that get together to coordinate their plans for market domination... That I can belive in. But all this shadow government stuff doesn't hold water in my opinion.

......America is not greatest country, but one of them....... 😊
😊 ........like the rest of the world.....😄.........

"there is your link omega

yeah i agree extroadinary claims do nead extraordinary proof
all im sayin is that there is so much information on the so called illuminati that i think people shouldnt dismiss it so easily"

There's also much info on bigfoot, loch ness monsters, legendary thunderbirds. It doesn't make them real.

-AC

yeah but its a lot different then mythical animals lurking in forests and lakes
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/nwo-letter.html

"yeah but its a lot different then mythical animals lurking in forests and lakes
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2/nwo-letter.html"

You believe David Icke?!?! Wow hahaha. Lame. He raises some interesting points in his books but you trust a man who believes we are slaves to lizards? Hahaha. Icing on the cake.

-AC

yeah he does raise some interesting points..thats why im interested

oh so he is the only person that believes it...some things that he sez are absurd but i dont believe everythin that he says.....you think you are smart alpha but you aint...u have a cartoon sig for christ sake..ii am the power - the silver surfer....and u go around as if u know everything

america ****ing sucks. ya its cool, woohoo free country, ya. **** that shit. im sick of not living just to stay alive. bush's proctoligist called and said he found his head. bush is a moron. america had 7 trillion dollars for the economy, tax cuts, and helping 3rd world countries. instead of using that money for those purposes, george bush wasted it on his socialist buddies and his dad. if that isnt it, here's the killer, in 4 years bush has spent 10 trillion dollars and reinstated the estate tax. the estate tax is, if someones father dies and cant afford the mortgage, you wont have to pay for it but the government can do whatever they want with it. so a farm could become a nite club for alcoholics. george bush is also the first president to come into the oval office with a criminal record. he is also the first president to enter the office by paying his college so he could "graduate".
its not a war to free the iraqis, its a ****ing war for oil. who is he kidding. o ya, to clean up that its going to cost another 5 billion. this is what bush did, he talked to the un and agreed to blow up iraq and kill millions of people and capture saddam, but in return we have to pay for the destruction and rebuild a whole country. over 1000 american troops have died for this so called iraqi freedom war. unnecesary death is the biggest problem for bush. so if you are a republican dont be fooled by him. so what if kerry is a democrat, it sure beats bush probably starting another war with another country with nuclear bombs. if you keep bush in office america is bound to be no more. if you have a problem with bush and kerry vote for nader.

bush is a ****ing puppet president.

"you think you are smart alpha but you aint...u have a cartoon sig for christ sake..ii am the power - the silver surfer....and u go around as if u know everything"

A) I know I'm smart.

B) I fail to realise the correlation between my signature and my intelligence. You have an England soccer team sig. Does that make you a mindless, beer-drinking thug? No. So why don't you run along now and instead of dissing me coz I'm just smarter than you, deal with it.

-AC

believe me..you aint smarter than me...if you was smart you woudnt be on these forums arguing with someone and making stupid comments....
and by saying 'i know im smart is just being cocky, arrogent and pathetic
oh and I fail to realise the correlation between my signature and my intelligence

"believe me..you aint smarter than me...if you was smart you woudnt be on these forums arguing with someone and making stupid comments..."

Firstly, I am. Secondly, the correct grammatical term "Smart-Man", would be "Were". "If you were smart...". Thirdly, you are arguing and making stupid comments also. Infact, you were the very first to do such a thing. Silence.

"and by saying 'i know im smart is just being cocky, arrogent and pathetic
oh and I fail to realise the correlation between my signature and my intelligence"

A) It's not being cocky, arrogant and pathetic. I know I'm intelligent. I'm not bragging, but I know I am. You say "believe me....you aint smarter than me." That is arrogant and pathetic.

B) Well then why bring my signature up if you know in your mind that it's irrelevant?

Silly boy.

Let's not ruin a good thread now Dean. Behave.

-AC

Firstly, I am. Secondly, the correct grammatical term "Smart-Man", would be "Were". "If you were smart...". Thirdly, you are arguing and making stupid comments also. Infact, you were the very first to do such a thing. Silence.

do u think by writing the above that it is going to convince me you are smart....and it was a good thread untill you arrived on it.....and i find it pathetic that you are correcting me on my grammer....if i wanted to use correct grammer then i would, there is no point in doing it on a forum..
and it was yoo who started this argument...i bought up the illuminati and you started going on about aliens and about me liking the streets......i was happy to stop arguing but then you started it again becuase i mentioned david icke
come on son, get a bloody grip of yaself,
ps..i apologise for bad grammer

hmmmm

it's neither... somewhere between

"do u think by writing the above that it is going to convince me you are smart....and it was a good thread untill you arrived on it.....and i find it pathetic that you are correcting me on my grammer....if i wanted to use correct grammer then i would, there is no point in doing it on a forum.."

There is much point in using it on a forum. There is ALWAYS point in using correct grammar (yes it's grammar. Not grammer). You simply don't use correct grammar because you cannot, you can barely spell. Secondly, I am not trying to convince you that I am smart. I couldn't care less if you think I am or not, I know I am, everyone else I know and have met, know I am. You aren't someone who's clarification I need, thanks.

"and it was yoo who started this argument...i bought up the illuminati and you started going on about aliens and about me liking the streets......i was happy to stop arguing but then you started it again becuase i mentioned david icke
come on son, get a bloody grip of yaself,
ps..i apologise for bad grammer"

I have continually told you that those references were examples and not off-point subjects. EXAMPLES. I am not arguing, I'm debating. You clearly feel threatened by my opinion. I don't feel threatened by yours so don't be by mine. You mentioned David Icke as if to say all that stuff was true just so you could give false back-up to your ridiculous claims. I merely made fun of you for believing a man who says we're controlled by lizards.

It was fun. Oh and apology accepted on the bad grammAr.

-AC

Dean> You do know that Weishaupt and co didn’t have their little group for more than a few years, right?
Go here
http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html

It deals with everything you’ve talked about.
Answer me this: There’s been loads written about aliens, alien abductions, the Loch Ness Monster, the abominable snowman, gods and divinities, and so on and so forth. Does the fact that there has been written something about a subject mean that it is true?

“yeah but its a lot different then mythical animals lurking in forests and lakes.”
Why – why is it that Illuminati is real (because a lot of stuff has been written about it), but the Lock Ness monster isn’t (although a lot of stuff has been written about it)?

David Icke:

David Icke, another pundit of the Illuminati, gets messages from alien "Illuminati-reptilians" who explain to him such things as the Gregorian calendar.
The whole senario [sic] was planned centuries ago because the reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed whatever force controls them, have a very different version of "time" than we have, hence they can see and plan down the three-dimensional "time"-line in a way that those in three-dimensional form cannot.
(http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/illrituals.html)
Icke fancies himself "The most controversial author and speaker in the world." For him, the origin of the Illuminati is extraterrestrial. He knows this because he is contacted regularly with messages from beyond by the alien lizards. He puts these messages into books (at least five, so far).
(From A skeptics dictionary).