Originally posted by Tshern
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That sh*@ is dumb (horrendous writing) as she could have put up her shield a long time ago (As she waited too late). I wonder why she didn't try to hurt hurt him with her powers? Why would she even need to be invisible in the first place? That's plain stupid.
Plus that contradicts a million other feats showing her getting up her force field in time (It is possible that it takes time in becoming uninvisible then getting a force field up vs. just getting a force field up). Contradiction happens a billion of times in comics. That is why one should use either the majority and common sense.
Originally posted by h1a8Wow, you should be a lawyer. You're a regular Denny Crane.
Jobber Aura doesn' t prove anything. Try again please.
There is nothing that can prevent Sue from getting her shield up. Asking me to show you scans where she put up her shield against a energy based (speed of light) attack is like asking me to post a scan showing that superman can lift at least a tank. I refuse. There are more FF comics showing this than FF comics not showing it. Give me a break dude. Everyone knows this! Asking for proof is super desperate.
"Members of the jury, the defendant asks for proof that he actually committed the crime, but I tell you proof isn't necessary for a conviction and asking for it simply shows desperation."
Originally posted by h1a8Thor knocking Sue the hell out is all the argument anyone needs.
Thor hitting sue before she gets the shield up seems to be the only argument you thor fans have. If thor is so powerful and can win easily then why don't you argue how he can win if she manages to get her shield up. Maybe it is because you don't see how thor can win other than hitting her before she gets her shield up. Such desperate arguments.
Originally posted by h1a8How ironic that the basis of your argument is that IW gets a hit in first.
Have you heard of instant bubble field. Or invisible force spike shot.
It is impossible for Thor to avoid these things. Since one, he cannot see invisible things and two, once the bubble appears in him it is now trapped. Who cares if she can't see him if he can possibly blind her (if that can happen anyways). It take at least seconds for Thor to do such tactics. Even though that doesn't matter as she will get a bubble inside of him and can control it without the need to look at it. Because she can't see it in the first place (It is inside him!)
The difference being, she can't because she's slower and has normal human reflexes.
Originally posted by h1a8Sue can break through Celestial armour. However it isn't indicative of her strengths as this has explicit extenuating circumstance. Therefore your continued use of it as a feat that's supposed to extract whizz-bang-wow is relatively pointless.
Many say this thread is retarded, stupid, and a joke yet they are not giving at least a simple argument stating how Thor can win. The ones who are trying are just simply implying that1. Sue can't bust celestials armor because it was a plot device and plot devices are not valid.
Originally posted by h1a8No one needs to show you anything. He's too fast for her.
2. Thor can attack her before she gets the shield up.
If this is the only thing you guys can come up to make Thor win then I fail to see how this thread is retarded. As there is only one way thor can win which is still in itself arguable.
Please! I beg you. anyone! Please show me how thor can win without saying he will hit her before she gets her field up. If it makes the least of sense (or is believable in some way) then I will concede. Trust me I want Thor to win as I see it as unfair that Sue could win over him. But I have to be real with myself.
Originally posted by h1a8No one cares whether you like IW or Thor better. I care nothing for Thor, he still wins.
Note: I care nothing for Invisible Woman. I love Thor a way more (but quite not a fan). But I can't lie to myself (others can though) when I saw and read the things that sue can and has done.
Originally posted by h1a8
That sh*@ is dumb (horrendous writing) as she could have put up her shield a long time ago (As she waited too late). I wonder why she didn't try to hurt hurt him with her powers? Why would she even need to be invisible in the first place? That's plain stupid.Plus that contradicts a million other feats showing her getting up her force field in time (It is possible that it takes time in becoming uninvisible then getting a force field up vs. just getting a force field up). Contradiction happens a billion of times in comics. That is why one should use either the majority and common sense.
Yeah, we all should feel sorry for the writing team. Why didn't she have her shield on?
But, it is not about whether she should have had her shield on or not, but about the fact that when she decided to put it up, she was too slow to do it. It is a low end showing, but so what? Deal with it.
And if you really want Thor to lose here, you have to use his low end feats too. Really, if he played it smart, he would win. He can just as well turn invisible and thus prevent IW from putting a forcefield bubble inside him without a haphazard shot in the dark...
Originally posted by h1a8
How can thor knock the hell out of her when she has got a force field up?
Are you implying that he will hit her before she gets it up?
If so, my point exactly.
IW gets a hit in first because she can't be hit at the start. Force field remember.
Ummm, Thor penetrates the forcefield? Gladiator pounced her forcefield making IW lose her concentration. Thor can do the same.
And she doesn't have the forcefield up immediately, it requires a conscious (it is written like that, isn't it?) choice. Thor is fast, but is he that fast?
Oh yeah, I apologize my aggressive tone in the previous post, didn't mean to sound aggressive. After all, it's only a comic book debate...
But, it is not about whether she should have had her shield on or not, but about the fact that when she decided to put it up, she was too slow to do it. It is a low end showing, but so what? Deal with it.
He can just as well turn invisible and thus prevent IW from putting a forcefield bubble inside him without a haphazard shot in the dark...
Is this true? Please explain more (or show a scan). Can he do it fast enough or without hesistation? Finally I might see how Thor can win and thus concede. But it depends on whether he can do it before she puts a bubble in him or shoots some serious invisible force spikes or rams at him. If he can do it without hesistation then I see a win for him also.
Is this true? Please explain more (or show a scan). Can he do it fast enough or without hesistation? Finally I might see how Thor can win and thus concede. But it depends on whether he can do it before she puts a bubble in him or shoots some serious invisible force spikes or rams at him. If he can do it without hesistation then I see a win for him also.
Hehe, I both love and hate the rule that you have to prove your statements, now I have to go through A LOT of Thor-comics, butI'll try to get you (well, the other people too) a scan. Also, if anyone has a scan about that, I'd like him to post it. I'm crappy at providing scans because I don't have a scanner and I have very few comics in English...
And sorry to bother you, but what are invisible force spikes? You've probably explained that, but I don't feel like going back 16 pages. Is it just a forcefield she pushes forwards so that it goes through stuff?
Originally posted by Tshern
Hehe, I both love and hate the rule that you have to prove your statements, now I have to go through A LOT of Thor-comics, butI'll try to get you (well, the other people too) a scan. Also, if anyone has a scan about that, I'd like him to post it. I'm crappy at providing scans because I don't have a scanner and I have very few comics in English...And sorry to bother you, but what are invisible force spikes? You've probably explained that, but I don't feel like going back 16 pages. Is it just a forcefield she pushes forwards so that it goes through stuff?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Woman#Powers_and_abilities
The above link explains her powers in more detail.
And the following link is from Marvel themselves
Originally posted by h1a8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Woman#Powers_and_abilitiesThe above link explains her powers in more detail.
And the following link is from Marvel themselves
Originally posted by Tshern
Ummm, Thor penetrates the forcefield? Gladiator pounced her forcefield making IW lose her concentration. Thor can do the same.And she doesn't have the forcefield up immediately, it requires a conscious (it is written like that, isn't it?) choice. Thor is fast, but is he that fast?
Oh yeah, I apologize my aggressive tone in the previous post, didn't mean to sound aggressive. After all, it's only a comic book debate...
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When Glads beat down Sue's Force Field he not only was using his strength and speed he was also using his mind powers too along with his punches it was sending a feedback at her also.
The FF was unaware of his power set.
Sue is very familiar with THOR... Blood lust Sue wins... THOR dies!
Originally posted by Tony Stark
😎When Glads beat down Sue's Force Field he not only was using his strength and speed he was also using his mind powers too along with his punches it was sending a feedback at her also.
The FF was unaware of his power set.
Sue is very familiar with THOR... Blood lust Sue wins... THOR dies!
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
it only takes few seconds to summon the god force blast so he while he is attacking sue he summons it
These are two strong points now.
One must refute both (and not one) to show that this tactic can succeed.
Originally posted by Tshern
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Originally posted by lando005
i'm back di every body miss me?... ok back to things at hand the reason y i quoted this is quite simple, the FF are a very unique team. y? because their powers more than anyone else's continues to evolve naturally take ben grimm for example, when he first became the thing he could only lift what 5 tones or so now look at him class 85. the same goes for sue and the rest of the FF their powers and their limits are increasing. so while sue was unable to stop the black panther then she could easily do it in time now without haveng to become visible first, look again i'm not voting for sue outright thor still has the advantage over her it's just that people need to look at both of their limits and not over or underrate either of them, also be a little more createve about what thor can do not just he hist her before her shield comes up you know it wont go down like that right away just drop that argument not saying he cant it just wont happen at the start of the fight, and it would still take thor a little while to pound her shields down you dont hear me going on about a force bubble inside thor do you? hell thor could shrink her down to about 6 inches and win the fight that way it's just getting old hearing the same thing over and over again
