Originally posted by Beyonder
Thing is, Thor can't do any of that faster than she can kill him with a force bubble. And your lack of knowledge of Sue is apparant, she DOES NOT INJECT her force bubble inside someone - she creates it inside of them. She doesn't need any opening from Thor. Even if he decides to create a force field (which you claim he can, but I doubt), she can still create one inside of his head or heart and expand it outward and kill him.
Thor waaayyy faster than sue. I don't know where you get the idea thor is the same speed as sue.
It would take a pretty powerful force bubble to take down thor. His durability and endurance are so far above a standard asgardian. He's had his body fused with concrete by shadowcat. He survived without major injury. That strategy wouldn't be the best way to go. Also Sue normal doesn't go around creating force bubble's in her enemies does she? That's not how she normally fights. She wouldn't attempt it normally.
By spinning his hammer he is capable of creating a forcefield strong enough to deflect a blast from odin himself. How would her power get through if the odinforce couldn't?
Thor can also instantaneously transport her to any part of the universe.
Originally posted by Beyonder
But can he do this faster than she can put up a force field, go invisible, and use a force bubble inside his head? He can fry everything he wants to, but she only needs to shield herself and go invisible, then it's force bubble would kill him.
Multitasking her powers against a full onslaught of thor isn't going to work. How exactly is she going to be able to walk around when a cosmic hurricane and storm capable of ripping skyscrapers off their foundations is slamming directly into her? This alone would put her directly on the defensive necessitating the use of her force field to protect herself the whole time without giving her a chance to attack. While she's busy trying to defend, thor could just transport her to anywhere in the known universe or just slam her with a godblast (which isn't really necessary in this situation).
Her invisibility powers wouldn't work against him. Thor's mjolnir tracks invisiblity and just for good measure he could also create rain to find her aswell.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Thor waaayyy faster than sue. I don't know where you get the idea thor is the same speed as sue.
he didn´t said that, learn to read the posts.
thor is indeed faster then sue physically, he just said he isn´t faster then sue MAKING a force field that would protect her time enough to make a bubble in thor´s head. I said time enough i didn´t said that thor wouldn´t eventualy break the force field.
norrin raddhe didn´t said that, learn to read the posts.
thor is indeed faster then sue physically, he just said he isn´t faster then sue MAKING a force field that would protect her time enough to make a bubble in thor´s head. I said time enough i didn´t said that thor wouldn´t eventualy break the force field.
Thanks Norrin. Nobody here's arguing that Thor's blast wouldn't ever break through. Sure he can do all that and more you listed Evangel94. But can he do all that faster than she can put up a shield to protect herself, turn invisible so he can't see her (and try to break her force field), then use a force bubble inside his head. I'll bet you she can do all this under 10 seconds. Can Thor find her, break her shield, and beat her before she can kill him? Hell, she can also restrain his arms use a force bubble inside his head and heart.
Thor is stronger but my point is that is the brain or heart in Thor's body more durable than the armor of a Celestial.
who?-kid
After studying the previous posts (cough cough), I think the answer is clear : Thor wins.I knew it !
After studying the previous posts = Thor is a god...thus wins 🙄
Studying? Did you actually read what was written & COMPREHENDED it. You don't even have sufficient evidence that Thor can win aside from he's an all powerful god thus he wins. Sue would make him her B!TCH!!! 😈
Originally posted by Beyonder
Studying? Did you actually read what was written & COMPREHENDED it. You don't even have sufficient evidence that Thor can win aside from he's an all powerful god thus he wins. Sue would make him her B!TCH!!! 😈
And hey, you said it yourself, Thor is an allpowerful God... And I know you don't like it, but Susan can not take that much damage => if somebody is strong enough and beats her forcefields, she faints (or something like that). Happened lots of times, so, next time better Beyonder 😉.
And it's funny to see how you avoid the difficult questions : How is Susan going to avoid an all-destroying hurricane ? What is she gonna do when Thor decides to teleport her 1000 miles away ? What is she gonna do when lightning hits her before she can put up a forcefield (don't even know for sure if forcefields can protect her from energy attacks such as lightning) ?
like I said...thrustin a invisible battering ram through Galactus' chest with ease would also work on Thor...he isnt even as powerful as the surfer....yet Galactus created Created Tyrant....who is more powerful than Thanos and Odin and all the heralds of Galactus together...yet Sue Blasted right through him without any difficulty when she was enraged...your crazy if u Thor could withstand that...and about Exitar the celestial...she did break his armor and she did destroy his brain... and Exitar is more powerful than Thor, Odin, and every other Skyfather put together
who?-kidAnd it's funny to see how you avoid the difficult questions : How is Susan going to avoid an all-destroying hurricane ? What is she gonna do when Thor decides to teleport her 1000 miles away ? What is she gonna do when lightning hits her before she can put up a forcefield (don't even know for sure if forcefields can protect her from energy attacks such as lightning) ?
If you'd actually READ what I wrote, Sue would kill him before he can summon an all-destroying hurricane. And how would he be able to teleport her if he can't even find her? If he can even summon lighting before she can put up the force field, then he would knock her out. But summoning it takes as much or even more time then it would for her to put a force field up. Why wouldn't her shield protect her from energy attacks like lightning - nonesense. 🙄
Celestial > Skyfather > Thor
...but according to your logic: Thor > Skyfather > Celestial 😆
Hey beyonder, Are you going to address my post? You are avoiding all my questions. Answer my questions.
Not all skyfathers are stronger than thor. Odin the strongest skyfather there is and not all of the skyfathers are on the same level. For example Thor overpowered Hindu skyfather and defeated him.
It would take a pretty powerful force bubble to take down thor. His durability and endurance are so far above a standard asgardian. He's had his body fused with concrete by shadowcat. He survived without major injury. That strategy wouldn't be the best way to go. Also Sue normal doesn't go around creating force bubble's in her enemies does she? That's not how she normally fights. She wouldn't attempt it normally.By spinning his hammer he is capable of creating a forcefield strong enough to deflect the odinforce from odin himself. How would her power get through if the odinforce couldn't?
Thor can also instantaneously transport her to any part of the universe.
Multitasking her powers against a full onslaught of thor isn't going to work. How exactly is she going to be able to walk around when a cosmic hurricane and storm capable of ripping skyscrapers off their foundations is slamming directly into her? This alone would put her directly on the defensive necessitating the use of her force field to protect herself the whole time without giving her a chance to attack. While she's busy trying to defend, thor could just transport her to anywhere in the known universe or just slam her with a godblast (which isn't really necessary in this situation).
Her invisibility powers wouldn't work against him. Thor's mjolnir tracks invisiblity and just for good measure he could also create rain to find her aswell.
Evangel94Hey beyonder, Are you going to address my post? You are avoiding all my questions. Answer my questions.
Not all skyfathers are stronger than thor. Odin the strongest skyfather there is and not all of the skyfathers are on the same level. For example Thor overpowered Hindu skyfather and defeated him.
The assumption I got is that it's normal Thor vs Invisible Woman, since the first post doesn't state King Thor/Odin powered Thor. And everyone here backed up there statement with Thor is a god as evidence that he would win. "Because he's a god" isn't the same statement as "because he's a skyfather."
Most here arguing based on normal Thor Vs. Invisible Woman. If it were King Thor, then nobody would even be arguing with you. Everyone here is using normal Thor Vs. Invisible Woman, and Invisible Woman would win IMO.
In this fight:
King Thor > Invisible Woman
Invisble Woman > Thor
Originally posted by Beyonder
The assumption I got is that it's normal Thor vs Invisible Woman, since the first post doesn't state King Thor/Odin powered Thor. And everyone here backed up there statement with Thor is a god as evidence that he would win. "Because he's a god" isn't the same statement as "because he's a skyfather."Most here arguing based on normal Thor Vs. Invisible Woman. If it were King Thor, then nobody would even be arguing with you. Everyone here is using normal Thor Vs. Invisible Woman, and Invisible Woman would win IMO.
King Thor didn't defeat the Hindu Skyfather, Normal Thor did, and that's who Im refering to.
FYI all my points refering to normal thor. I didn't even mention King Thor in my post.
Answer my questions.
Here's your answer (and then answer MY questions once you've finished):
BeyonderThanks Norrin. Nobody here's arguing that Thor's blast wouldn't ever break through. Sure he can do all that and more you listed Evangel94. But can he do all that faster than she can put up a shield to protect herself, turn invisible so he can't see her (and try to break her force field), then use a force bubble inside his head. I'll bet you she can do all this under 10 seconds. Can Thor find her, break her shield, and beat her before she can kill him? Hell, she can also restrain his arms use a force bubble inside his head and heart.
Thor is stronger but my point is that is the brain or heart in Thor's body more durable than the armor of a Celestial.
About Thor's durability:
Sue broke through a Exitar the Exacutioner Celestial's armor using her powers.
Celestial armor > Thor's brain or heart...so much for his asgardian durability.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Here's your answer (and then answer MY questions once you've finished):
About Thor's durability:Sue broke through a Exitar the Exacutioner Celestial's armor using her powers.
Celestial armor > Thor's brain or heart...so much for his asgardian durability.
She broke through using her powers, but she didn't use a force bubble on the celestial the way you pointed out did she? That example has nothing to do with Thor's durability. You want to talk about durability? Thor has more durability than Sue ever will. Don't even try to talk about force fields since they themselves have nothing to do with actual bodily durability. One direct hit to Sue and it's over.
So far all you keep repeating the same thing over and over. Sue can turn invisible and hit thor with a force bubble. You can't actually "prove" that it would kill thor since Thor has taken more of a beating to his body on a regular basis than anything I've seen Sue dish out normally.
Thor can also spin his hammer to create a forcefield strong enough to deflect away the odin force. How could she penetrate a field strong enough to deflect the odinforce? She can't. Her offensive powers are nullified in this case.
I keep telling you, the mjolnir enables thor to track invisible enemies. He can also summon that cosmic storm which would stop her from moving around freely. That strom would necessitate the use of her forcefield to protect herself. That alone would make her a target for thor's bigger guns. And yes he can do it in under ten seconds.
Oh and lets not forget that thor can instantaneouly transport her to any part of the known universe. That end's the battle right away.
Since when does Sue normally go around defeating enemies by creating force bubbles in their brains or hearts. She doesn't normally fight like that at all and would most likely use it as a last resort.
In the end, Thor wins way more often than not due to his vast amount of options at his disposal.
i read something from evangel that i'd like to emphasize. sue cannot multi task against someone as powerful as thor. if she is gonna create a a force field around herself she is gonna need all her concentration on maintaining that force field against thor's onslaught. i don't think sue is powerful enuf to both maintain her force field and create bubbles inside thor. if she is gonna create bubbles inside thor i bet you thor could throw mjolnir at her and kill her while she kills him. thor can also teleport people INSTANTANEOUSLY, which is a lot faster than sue can create those bubbles or force fields.
The more i think about the definition of the Asgardians Immortality the more i have come to understand that they are temporarily immortal until they die of old age. They are not supposed to be able to die until that time. That's the definition anyhow. I guess weird things happen though and they somehow do.
Still it'd be funny if The Invisible Women turned Thor's hammer invisible and it smacked him in the head on it's return to him. 😆
Invisible Woman has multitasked plenty of times against far more powerful enemies than Thor...I have mentioned plenty of people she has defended against that make Thor's power laughable...Evangel, stop dancing around the issue...EXITAR THE CELESTIAL IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THOR, ODIN, ALL THE NORSE GODS, AND GREEK GODS COMBINED!!! IF SHE CAN BREAK THROUGH HIS ARMOR/BODY...OR THRUST A FORCE BOLT RIGHT THROUGH GALACTUS' CHEST, THEN SHE CAN EASILY DESTROY THOR...HE IS NOT MORE DURABLE THAN EITHER EXITAR OR GALACTUS!!!
Originally posted by Wynndar
Invisible Woman has multitasked plenty of times against far more powerful enemies than Thor...I have mentioned plenty of people she has defended against that make Thor's power laughable...Evangel, stop dancing around the issue...EXITAR THE CELESTIAL IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THOR, ODIN, ALL THE NORSE GODS, AND GREEK GODS COMBINED!!! IF SHE CAN BREAK THROUGH HIS ARMOR/BODY...OR THRUST A FORCE BOLT RIGHT THROUGH GALACTUS' CHEST, THEN SHE CAN EASILY DESTROY THOR...HE IS NOT MORE DURABLE THAN EITHER EXITAR OR GALACTUS!!!
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Are you refering to Fantastic Four #400?
Sue's powers derive from the very substance of the shells that enclose the bodies of Celestial. Because of that, she was able to go through the armor using her powers. She didn't outright smash through the armor as you are making it out to be.
Have you even read the issue at all?
Stop shooting out your unknowledgable opinion without any facts to back it up. 🙄