Marvel Universe Hierarchy

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Originally posted by clickclick
The watchers would concede to the Celestials being more powerful. Why? Because they are. Whocares if the watchers watch stuff, big whup. The Celestials actually make their mark aswell as possess more power.

Chalk that one up to more importance and higher on the list.

Originally posted by clickclick [B]
The dreaming Celestial hasnt woken up. Why do you think they have the same combined power? The Watchers are certainly powerful but eventually the Celestials will kill all the Watchers.[B]

I simply can't argue with such piercing arguments and keen logic...I concede...you win... 😮

I simply can't argue with such piercing arguments and keen logic...I concede...you win...

Dont make me laugh. One of those responses wasnt not even to you either.

The Celestials have had more of an impact on the MU, watching is not impactful. They watch stuff, big deal.

They have demonstrated more power and are held in higher regard. They will also eventually wipe out the entire Watcher race.

I dont need to "win", you simply havent provided a decent case for how the Watchers are more important. Oh wait, unless "they watch stuff" suddenly became all that relevant.

cool choices everyone tell me what you think of mine.

1)The Heart Of The Universe
2)The One Above All
3)Living Tribunal/Infinity Gauntlet
4)Death/Eternity/Galactus(at full strength)
5)Celestials/Eternals
6)Master Order/Lord Chaos/In-Betweener
7)Oblivion/Ziran/Gaea
8)Watchers
9)X-man (at full strength)
10)Odin/Zeus/Shaper Of Worlds/Franklin Richards (at full strength)
11)Chronos/Surtur/Atum/Demogorge/Hela
12)Apocolypse/Shadow King/Mephisto (in his realm)13Love/Hate/Kubik/MoleculeMan/Venus/Cosmos/Dormammu/Stranger 14)Galactus (normal strength)/Ego/Set/Loki/Super Skrull/Erg/
15)Magneto (at full strength)/Tyrant/Magus/Thundra/Lord Tantulas/Umar
16)Atlas/Cyttorak/Terminus/Titanis/Ares/Athena/Moondragon 17)Dark Phoenix/Holocost/Terrax/Air Walker/Destroyer/Firelord/Leir
18)Beyonder/Blackheart/Kurse/Exodus/Holocost/Korvach/Gladiator
19)Vision/Enchantress/Dr.Doom/Pofessor Xavier/Ymir
20)Phoenix Force/Thor/Dr.Strange/Silver Surfer
21)Cable/Chton/Ultron/Nimrod
22)Juggernaut/Hulk/Absorbing Man
23)Thing/Submariner/Ironman/ War Machine/Wonderman/Colosous
24)Captain America/Wolverine/Ghost Rider/The Leader/Bishop

I don't think any herald would be considered equal to Dark Phoenix. And why is Moondragon higher than DP?

A few other issues:
- Magneto is equal to Tyrant?
- Super Skrull is equal to Galactus who is equal to Loki?
- Apocalypse higher than normal Galactus and Tyrant?

The middle area of the list is questionable.

Originally posted by Dacarius
cool choices everyone tell me what you think of mine.

1)The Heart Of The Universe
2)The One Above All
3)Living Tribunal/Infinity Gauntlet
4)Death/Eternity/Galactus(at full strength)
5)Celestials/Eternals
6)Master Order/Lord Chaos/In-Betweener
7)Oblivion/Ziran/Gaea
8)Watchers
9)X-man (at full strength)
10)Odin/Zeus/Shaper Of Worlds/Franklin Richards (at full strength)
11)Chronos/Surtur/Atum/Demogorge/Hela
12)Apocolypse/Shadow King/Mephisto (in his realm)13Love/Hate/Kubik/MoleculeMan/Venus/Cosmos/Dormammu/Stranger 14)Galactus (normal strength)/Ego/Set/Loki/Super Skrull/Erg/
15)Magneto (at full strength)/Tyrant/Magus/Thundra/Lord Tantulas/Umar
16)Atlas/Cyttorak/Terminus/Titanis/Ares/Athena/Moondragon 17)Dark Phoenix/Holocost/Terrax/Air Walker/Destroyer/Firelord/Leir
18)Beyonder/Blackheart/Kurse/Exodus/Holocost/Korvach/Gladiator
19)Vision/Enchantress/Dr.Doom/Pofessor Xavier/Ymir
20)Phoenix Force/Thor/Dr.Strange/Silver Surfer
21)Cable/Chton/Ultron/Nimrod
22)Juggernaut/Hulk/Absorbing Man
23)Thing/Submariner/Ironman/ War Machine/Wonderman/Colosous
24)Captain America/Wolverine/Ghost Rider/The Leader/Bishop


Atlas above Thor?Apocalypse above Thor?Atlas is equal to Wonder Man, Colossus and other heavyweights, but not to Thor.Ares is on a lower level than Thor too, and he's not in Class 100 strenght.You put Tyrant on the same level of Magneto?Tyrant can make Magneto is little pet.Cyttorak is above Athena and Moondragon, he's a demonic/godly entity with near unlimited range mystical power.Galactus basic strenght is above Loki, who can't be put near him and Ego, and the Super Skrull is on the level of WonderMan and the other of that level.Chton is also a God, so Nimrod isn't nearly strong as him.Shadow King, if he's Sebastian Shaw, he has a limit to his powers, and he's not an enemy sufficiently strong to being put near Mephisto or Apocalypse.
The One Above All is the detentor of THOTU

Okay, before you guys get the idea I am a complete idiot here's what happened. I had made a list on just for fun, and tried to paste it here and somehow things got screwed up in translation. Here's what it should say.

1. Heart Of The Universe
2. The One Above All
3. Infinity Gauntlet/Living Tribunal
4. Death/Eternity/Galactus (at full Strength)
5. The Celestials/The Eternals
6. Master Order/Lord Chaos/In-betweener
7. Oblivion/Ziran/Gaea
8. The Watchers
9. X-man (at full strength)
10.Odin/Zeus/Shaper Of Worlds/Franklin Richards (at full strength)
11.Chronos/Surtur/Tyrant/Atum/Demogorge/Chton
12.Apocalypse/Shadow King/Mephisto(in his realm)
13.Love/Hate/Kubik/Molecule Man/Venus/Cosmos/Dormammu/The Stranger
14.Galactus (normal strength)/Ego/Set/Kurse
15.Dark Phoenix/Magus/Thundra//Lord Tantulas/Titanis/Umar/Beyonder
16.Atlas/Cyttorak/Terminus/Ares/Athena/Malestorm/Thor/Beta Ray Thor/Silver Surfer
17.Champion/Holocost/Terrax/Nova/Destroyer/Firelord/Air Walker/Erg
18.Black Heart//Korvach/Gladiator/Professor Xavier/Sabra/Loki
19.Ymir/Enchantress/Dr. Doom/Vision/ Moondragon/Magneto
20.Phoenix Force/Hyperstorm/Magus/Super Skrull
21.Cable/Ultron/Nimrod
22. Juggernaut/Hulk/Absorbing Man
23.Thing/Iron Man/War Machine/Wonder Man/Colossus/Blackbolt
24.Captain America/Wolverine/Ghost Rider/The Leader/Bishop

1. Heart Of The Universe
2. The One Above All
3. Infinity Gauntlet/Living Tribunal
4. Death/Eternity/Galactus (at full Strength)
5. The Celestials/The Eternals
6. Master Order/Lord Chaos/In-betweener
7. Oblivion/Ziran/Gaea
8. The Watchers
9. X-man (at full strength)
10.Odin/Zeus/Shaper Of Worlds/Franklin Richards (at full strength)
11.Chronos/Surtur/Tyrant/Atum/Demogorge/Chton
12.Apocalypse/Shadow King/Mephisto(in his realm)
13.Love/Hate/Kubik/Molecule Man/Venus/Cosmos/Dormammu/The Stranger
14.Galactus (normal strength)/Ego/Set/Kurse
15.Dark Phoenix/Magus/Thundra//Lord Tantulas/Titanis/Umar/Beyonder
16.Atlas/Cyttorak/Terminus/Ares/Athena/Malestorm/Thor/Beta Ray Thor/Silver Surfer
17.Champion/Holocost/Terrax/Nova/Destroyer/Firelord/Air Walker/Erg
18.Black Heart//Korvach/Gladiator/Professor Xavier/Sabra/Loki
19.Ymir/Enchantress/Dr. Doom/Vision/ Moondragon/Magneto
20.Phoenix Force/Hyperstorm/Magus/Super Skrull
21.Cable/Ultron/Nimrod
22. Juggernaut/Hulk/Absorbing Man
23.Thing/Iron Man/War Machine/Wonder Man/Colossus/Blackbolt
24.Captain America/Wolverine/Ghost Rider/The Leader/Bishop

There are some really incurrate rankings in each list, but this one, no offense, is just a mess.

Some examples, Cyttorak is more powerful than everyone in his ranking. Kurse is way out of place; he's lower in the totem pole than those he's grouped with. Black Bolt should be higher up on Thor and Gladiator's level; the guy can augment his strength and a mere whisper to the ears of an opponent has KOed Hulk and Gladiator before. Holocaust ain't herald level at all. Korvac is a God; he's higher up there. Xavier is too high up. Why is Doom, Vision, Moondragon, Enchantress and Magneto higher up the ladder than the Phoenix Force (Shi' Ar god) and Hyperstorm? And why is Apocalypse and Shadow King more powerful than Dormammu, cube beings, and abstract beings? Apocalypse and Shadow King are b!tches to these true gods and goddesses. Odin as more powerful than Atum & Chthon? And there's actually more if I wanted to nitpick.

Magus is at 15 & 20?

whoops! he should only be @ 15.

Actually, there are two Warlock and two Magus. There's Adam Warlock, formerly know as HE. And his evil side from the future, the Magus.

Then you have Warlock the Phalanx, and his father - Magus - who actually ripped a star in half and hurled it at his foe.

Where is the magic representive in Marvels equation. Shouldn't there be someone like Spell.
Dr. Strange has been left out of the most powerful in Marvel. He is Sorcerer Surpreme. Will he be the one to reach All in Marvel.
He is the only one in the field. I don't see any other qualifiers.

i like doing the list in terms of tiers, no artifacts, and no "special editions" like that clone of thanos/galactus that was supposedly ten times as powerful as galactus.

THE TIER ABOVE ALL
TOAA

FIRST TIER
Beyonder
Living Tribunal
Full-Power Galactus
Phoenix Force (this is just a guess...i mean, there are hundreds of carriers each with the ability to destroy planets, and at least one with the power to destroy universes. so the whole force most be way strong)

Second Tier
Thanos
Silver Surfer
Tyrant
Franklin Richards
Zeus/Odin

third tier
all greek/nordic/egyptian gods outside of the head gods.

ah, i'm to lazy to make a huge list about it. but you get the idea.

Even a fully fed Galactus is no match for the Molecule man

1.TOAA
2.LT
3.Beyonder
4.Eternity
5.Infinity
6.Entropy
7.Order/Chaos
8.Bearer of the Infinity gauntlet
9.Other Abstracts
10. In-Betweener
11. Celestials
12. Phoenix Force
13. Watchers
14. Hunger
15. Odin
16. Other Pantheon skyfathers (zeus, ra etc..)
17. Molocule Man
18. Hyperstorm
19. Franklyn Richards
20. Krona (from JLA/avengers)
21. Cyttorak
22. Full Powered Galactus
23. Ascendant Thor (with runes and odin force)
24. Thanos
25. Tyrant/First herald of galactus
26. Other Pantheonic Gods (asgard, olypian, egyptian)
27. Eternals
28. Titans
29. Mephisto
30. Legion
31. Proteus
32. Adam Warlock
33. Onslaught (with nate gray and frank richards's power)
34. Dr Strange
35. Dormmamu
36. Gladiator

I think the wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet is much more powerful than Eternity, Infinity, Order & Chaos put together so why is it ranked lower?

Pantheonic Skyfathers are more powerful than a full-powered Galactus?

Thanos higher than Tyrant?

yea i dont get it either

1.TOAA
2.The Heart Of The Universe
3.Living Tribunal
4.Infinity Gauntlet
5.Death/Eternity/Galactus (@full strength)
6.Mistress Love/Master Hate/Lord Chaos Master Order/In-Betweener
7.The Watchers/The Celestials/The Eternals/Set/Demogorge/Chthon/
8.Shaper Of Worlds/Tyrant/Atum/High Evolutionary
9.Surtur/Mephisto (in his realm)/Seth/Odin/Zeus/Gaea/Vishnu
10.Galactus (@normal strength)/Nightmare/Eon/Cyttorak/Ego
11.Kubik/Venus/X-Man/The Stranger/Dormammu/Hyperstorm
12.Korvach/Pluto/Isis/Horus/Stellaris/Moleculue Man/Franklin Richards
13.Magus/Thundra/Titanis/Umar/Clea/Dracula/Phoenix Force/Blackheart
14.Terminus/Gladiator/Thor/Beta Ray Thor/Silver Surfer/Beyonder
15.Quasar/Destroyer/Firelord/Air WalkerAtlas/Black Bolt/Apocalypse
16.Athena/Sabra/Captain Universe/Ares/Hela/Malestorm/Quasar/Thanos
17.Dr.Doom/Magneto/Professor Xavier/Shadow King (on astral plane)
18.Super Skrull/Nebula/Vision/Moondragon/Enchantress/Dr.Strange
19.Ultron/Champion/Nimrod/Juggernaut/Hulk/Hercules/Ymir/Kurse/Cable
20.Thing/Iron Man/War Machine/Wonder Man/Colosous/Sub Mariner/It
21.Captain America/Daredevil/Spiderman/Ghost Rider/Bishop

Still wrong

1)High evolutionary above galactus?
2)Thor above Thanos?
3)Ymir, Kurse and Champion on the same level as Juggernaut?

Beyonder I ahve to give you respect, you know what you are talking about mane is not even close. The heart of the universe marvel the end is basicly what if story line. And you put the eternals ahead of the celestials are you smoking crack really. The celestails will eat them for lunch. Your list is jacked up, we are talking about now thor (with odinforce ) will kill beta ray bill and etrenals. By the way he fought the frogotten one and ikaruis and kicked snot out them.

Most Recent List - By Eleveninches

1.TOAA
2.LT
3.Beyonder
4.Eternity
5.Infinity
6.Entropy
7.Order/Chaos
8.Bearer of the Infinity gauntlet
9.Other Abstracts
10. In-Betweener
11. Celestials
12. Phoenix Force
13. Watchers
14. Hunger
15. Odin
16. Other Pantheon skyfathers (zeus, ra etc..)
17. Molocule Man
18. Hyperstorm
19. Franklyn Richards
20. Krona (from JLA/avengers)
21. Cyttorak
22. Full Powered Galactus
23. Ascendant Thor (with runes and odin force)
24. Thanos
25. Tyrant/First herald of galactus
26. Other Pantheonic Gods (asgard, olypian, egyptian)
27. Eternals
28. Titans
29. Mephisto
30. Legion
31. Proteus
32. Adam Warlock
33. Onslaught (with nate gray and frank richards's power)
34. Dr Strange
35. Dormmamu
36. Gladiator

I will attempt to modify this list, add and delete based on my knowledge and careful opinions. I have some questions, due to things I am unsure of. Anyone who is below a cosmic entity will be deleted, and anything I have not heard of will be deleted because I can not accurately place him/her/it. If somebody I did not include comes to mind, rather than flame me, attempt to find where he/she/it would fit in and tell me where you think that character should go.

1.The One Above All - MarvelDirectory.com lists him the leader of Celestials during the Fourth Host. Is this true? If so, that shouldn't place him on top, or is that a different One Above All.
2. Heart of the Universe
3. Living Tribunal - Possesses the power to judge any situation and alter existence in all realities.
4. Beyonder - Embodiment of another universe. Posseses all powers existing in our universe, can destroy universe on a whim / Bearer of the Infinity gauntlet - Stated by Dr. Doom to rival the coming of the Beyonder, can destroy universe on a whim.
5. Eternity - 1st Essence of Universe - Replaced by Thanos as bearer of Gauntlet therefore BOIG > Eternity / Death - Second Essence of Universe - Opposite of Eternity / Full Powered Galactus - Third Essence of Universe - If any of these three die without being replaced or controlled by a higher being, universe will cease to exist.
6. Master Order / Lord Chaos - Entropy is a result of one of these beings. Debatable whether it is Chaos or Order
7: Stranger / Eon - Seemed to be close to Galactus during Infinity Gauntlet
8: Lord Kronos
9. Celestials
10. Watchers - True Power somewhat unknown, refuse to interfere.
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11. Phoenix Force
12. Franklin Richards - Can alter Reality on a universal Scale, create pocket universes
13. Hunger - Dimensional Parasite
14. Odin / Ascendant Thor (with runes and odin force) - Able to injure but not kill Thanos.
15. Other Pantheon skyfathers / Thanos - Weaker than Odin but not by much Ascendant Thor (with runes and odin force) / Tyrant - Battled Thanos to a Draw, was unable to injure him
16. Cosmic Spider-Man - Defeated Magneto, Punched Hulk into Orbit, Kind of a joke Character.
17. Mephisto / Blackheart - usurped Mephisto
18. Onslaught (with nate gray and frank richards's power)
19. Silver Surfer / Regular Thor / Hulk (Based on Potential strength output)
20. Morg
21. Average Herald of Galactus E.G. - Firelord, Air-Walker, Nova
22. Cyttorak - May be powerful, but weak willed, lost a psychic battle to Juggernaut, his champion, in an attempt to take control of him, and Charles Xavier.
23. Adam Warlock / Regular Magus - No Gems - Class 40 at max, many mystical powers.
24. Apocalypse at peak power during his life - Class 100
25. Average Asgardians / Average Olympians - About Class 25-35 - Very Durable.
26. Maelstrom
27. Magneto / Charles Xavier / Dr. Strange / Dr. Doom - not in sheer power but in Intelligence.
28. Namor / Iron Man - Based on Strength Level approx. Class 80