Originally posted by Mr Zero
People like Tarantino, Cameron and Rami are fine entertaining directors but saying they are the "best of all time" (a nonsensical claim in any case) is beyond ludicrous.
I meant mine as my favorites. I wasn't really saying they are the best of all time. Its just my personal favs. M. Night wouldn't be a top of all time either since he is just now coming out with his 4th film.
Originally posted by Myth
I meant mine as my favorites. I wasn't really saying they are the best of all time. Its just my personal favs.
Oh, what you are saying is that you ignored the actual topic of the thread and used it as an excuse to list your favorite directors, much in the way the pre-teens in the LOTR forum will leap at any excuse to type "ORLANDO!!!"
My mistake - I can only apologize for not working that out.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Oh, what you are saying is that you ignored the actual topic of the thread and used it as an excuse to list your favorite directors, much in the way the pre-teens in the LOTR forum will leap at any excuse to type "ORLANDO!!!"My mistake - I can only apologize for not working that out.
Don't get smart ass with me. God forbit I post an opinion without being attacked.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Those of you who can't think beyond the latest hot-ticket mainstream "cool" list might bear it mind It's the equivalent of Saying Britnee Spears makes the worlds "best ever" music. It's a populist approach, and makes you look like sheep. Baaaahhhh!
Given the clientele of this board, myself included, perhaps we're not directly familiar with those directors? Frankly, it doesn't sound as if their "art" would be something I am interested in.
I watch movies to be entertained, and if I want to see art, I'll go to a gallery. Stupid pun, granted, but I doubt I am alone. In addition to that, how easily accessible are these director's works in the U.S. by way of rental? Virtually non-existant.
Besides, our taste in movies, eclectic or lying in film noir, foreign, etc, doesn't necessarily reflect our character. Live and let live. Set a good example for those who may want to explore the avenue of foreign film, instead of turning your nose up at them.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Given the clientele of this board, myself included, perhaps we're not directly familiar with those directors? Frankly, it doesn't sound as if their "art" would be something I am interested in.I watch movies to be entertained, and if I want to see art, I'll go to a gallery. Stupid pun, granted, but I doubt I am alone. In addition to that, how easily accessible are these director's works in the U.S. by way of rental? Virtually non-existant.
Besides, our taste in movies, eclectic or lying in film noir, foreign, etc, doesn't necessarily reflect our character. Live and let live. Set a good example for those who may want to explore the avenue of foreign film, instead of turning your nose up at them.
For once we have something we can both agree on 😄
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Frankly, it doesn't sound as if their "art" would be something I am interested in. I watch movies to be entertained, and if I want to see art, I'll go to a gallery. Besides, our taste in movies, eclectic or lying in film noir, foreign, etc, doesn't necessarily reflect our character.
Point well taken - you have no interest in great cinema as art - and if a film doesn't "entertain" then you don't want to know.
Personally i'm open to being moved, mystified, educated, bewildered, angered, excited, enraged... but thats just strange old me.
But that begs the question - Why would you list a bunch of mainstream directors (ok, Luc Besson is the exception) in a "most talented of all time" thread, unless like Myth you don't actually care about what topic a thread is addressing and just like to list your fave "entertaining" directors.
Yes, I know trying to talk about film in a serious manner at KMC is (given - as you say - the clientele) perhaps a waste of time, but dont expect me to quit any time soon: I have my reasons.
As to rental of any of my directors listed - try going a non multipex cinema once in a while, you may even find the popcorn tastes better: hell even blockbuster has a foreign film section. Tho Wilder, Polanski and Whale don't count as "foreign film" assuming you meant "not in english"?
Ummm...I find movies of the past much more entertaining and much more original. By todays standards movies are stuffed with CGI and recycle plotlines from previous films. Rarely we get to see a film that outstands the rest. Hardly anything interesting these days in filmaking. If it is about taste and not about quality I can understand.....but if it is about entertainment....well, to each his own.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Point well taken - you have no interest in great cinema as art - and if a film doesn't "entertain" then you don't want to know.Personally i'm open to being moved, mystified, educated, bewildered, angered, excited, enraged... but thats just strange old me.
But that begs the question - Why would you list a bunch of mainstream directors (ok, Luc Besson is the exception) in a "most talented of all time" thread, unless like Myth you don't actually care about what topic a thread is addressing and just like to list your fave "entertaining" directors.
Yes, I know trying to talk about film in a serious manner at KMC is (given - as you say - the clientele) perhaps a waste of time, but dont expect me to quit any time soon: I have my reasons.
As to rental of any of my directors listed - try going a non multipex cinema once in a while, you may even find the popcorn tastes better: hell even blockbuster has a foreign film section. Tho Wilder, Polanski and Whale don't count as "foreign film" assuming you meant "not in english"?
So what you are saying is mainstream directors are not talented?
James Cameron: Titanic
Steven Spielberg: Saving Private Ryan
Tim Burton: Edward Scissorhands
QUOTE MR ZERO
Personally i'm open to being moved, mystified, educated, bewildered, angered, excited, enraged... but thats just strange old me.
Are you also telling me that those films don't do these things?
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
So what you are saying is mainstream directors are not talented?
James Cameron: Titanic
Steven Spielberg: Saving Private Ryan
Tim Burton: Edward ScissorhandsQUOTE MR ZERO
Personally i'm open to being moved, mystified, educated, bewildered, angered, excited, enraged... but thats just strange old me.Are you also telling me that those films don't do these things?
I'm not sure if this thread is the place to argue the point - but since it's your thread...? Bear in mind these are directors I admire.
James Camerons "The Love Boat" - I'm sorry i meant "Titanic" has a cliche driven plot that is laughably simple used to hang the big effects that Cameron was really interested in around. It's a snore.
Spielberg should have made one change to SP Ryan - he should have put "THE END" after the beach storming because the film gets worse and worse from that point till it dissolves in a wash of knee-jerk "kill the Nazi scum" nonsense. The end of the film (ryan as flashback/narrator) doesnt even make any sense. Most over-rated movie in a decade.
Burton. Burton makes fairy-tales and (to stretch a metaphor,) tho you can't say fairy-tales are great novels you could say a well crafted magical tale has a resonance and depth that most stories lack. I think Scisorhands is a flawless film and a true classic. I dont think burton has proved himself to be one of the "all time great" directors, but I never miss his movies on the big screen. Time will tell - he may have greatness in him.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Point well taken - you have no interest in great cinema as art - and if a film doesn't "entertain" then you don't want to know.Personally i'm open to being moved, mystified, educated, bewildered, angered, excited, enraged... but thats just strange old me.
But that begs the question - Why would you list a bunch of mainstream directors (ok, Luc Besson is the exception) in a "most talented of all time" thread, unless like Myth you don't actually care about what topic a thread is addressing and just like to list your fave "entertaining" directors.
Yes, I know trying to talk about film in a serious manner at KMC is (given - as you say - the clientele) perhaps a waste of time, but dont expect me to quit any time soon: I have my reasons.
As to rental of any of my directors listed - try going a non multipex cinema once in a while, you may even find the popcorn tastes better: hell even blockbuster has a foreign film section. Tho Wilder, Polanski and Whale don't count as "foreign film" assuming you meant "not in english"?
I wouldn't know what constitutes great cinema in your opinion, honestly. It's just a matter of not virtually being unable to latch onto anything outside of a video rental store, honestly. That said, I'm equally as open, given the outlet is there, and it's not, for me anyway.
As for my personal list of directors, it's an amalgam of whom I feel are the best "mainstream" directors of our time, given that's all I am familiar with, interlaced with what few Nat'l/other directors I know. Besson, really only having 3 recognizble movies (Nikita, Wasabi, and Leon) and Polanski (The Pianist), whom I forgot to include.
Arthouse cinema in North Carolina? When the state motto is "We Miss Dale Earnhardt!", you'd understand that film societies are about as important as education, here.
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
Just because a talented filmmaker happens to be mainstream doesn't mean he is not worthy of being called one of the most talented filmmakers of all time. Anyway moving on I think one of the filmmakers we have forgotten to mention is Brian Depalma.
He's had about 6 movies worth mentioning in his 40 year career. Sadly, he'll be remembered moreso for the horribly overrated "Scarface", and less for "Carrie".
I rented "Casualties of War", however, and plan on taking that in tonight, or tomorrow.