Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
moving on I think one of the filmmakers we have forgotten to mention is Brian Depalma.
I swear I'm not doing this just to go against C-Adiction but I think DePalma is one of the few western mainstream directors who's work is worth talking about in depth. A real stylist and almost impossible to categorize.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
I [B]swear I'm not doing this just to go against C-Adiction but I think DePalma is one of the few western mainstream directors who's work is worth talking about in depth. A real stylist and almost impossible to categorize. [/B]
He is completely different from most directors out there
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Besson, really only having 3 recognizble movies (Nikita, Wasabi, and Leon)
Not to be patronizing but if you get the chance, Subway and Big Blue (directors cut please). Joan of Arc (Messenger in the USA?) is flawed for sure but still a WOW of a movie. And since you like popcorn - who could fail to like The 5th Element? Besson gets around.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
[B]He's had about 6 movies worth mentioning in his 40 year career. Sadly, he'll be remembered moreso for the horribly overrated "Scarface", and less for "Carrie".
Its true he will be remembered the most for Scarface but its because it was just that good. If any director could choose to be remembered the most for one particular film it would be a great film like this. The film so perfectly showed how those times really were. The best performance of Pacino's life was done in this film. Not overrated at all
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Not to be patronizing but if you get the chance, Subway and Big Blue (directors cut please). Joan of Arc (Messenger in the USA?) is flawed for sure but still a WOW of a movie. And since you like popcorn - who could fail to like The 5th Element? Besson gets around.
"Joan of Arc" is readily available. I was going to rent "Amelie" as well, but rented "Dirty Pretty Things", and was kind of turned off by Audrey Tautou's performance, there.
"The Fifth Element" totally slipped my mind. Out of sight, out of mind, I sold my DVD copy a few weeks ago.
BTW, I don't mind the suggestions. I'd love to explore new avenues cinematically.
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
The best performance of Pacino's life was done in this film. Not overrated at all.
The movie, overall, is very overhyped. It's just like one long cuss word, with one long murder scene, and one long rail of coke getting sniffed. Just because it's a remake of a classic film noir, set in the drug war times of Miami doesn't make it an instant classic.
In addition, you shoud honestly rethink your position on Pacino's greatest role, unless you've never seen Serpico, Donnie Brasco, or this little movie called "The Godfather". "Scarface" has very little to offer in the way of emotional range, it's all tough guy acting.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
"Joan of Arc" is readily available. I was going to rent "Amelie" as well, but rented "Dirty Pretty Things", and was kind of turned off by Audrey Tautou's performance, there."The Fifth Element" totally slipped my mind. Out of sight, out of mind, I sold my DVD copy a few weeks ago.
BTW, I don't mind the suggestions. I'd love to explore new avenues cinematically.
The movie, overall, is very overhyped. It's just like one long cuss word, with one long murder scene, and one long rail of coke getting sniffed. Just because it's a remake of a classic film noir, set in the drug war times of Miami doesn't make it an instant classic.
In addition, you shoud honestly rethink your position on Pacino's greatest role, unless you've never seen Serpico, Donnie Brasco, or this little movie called "The Godfather". "Scarface" has very little to offer in the way of emotional range, it's all tough guy acting.
COMPLETELY WRONG. You clearly don't appreciate this film at all because you don't know how it is to be in the position the character was in I won't tell you how but I knew a person in the same exact position just not on that level who came here to the US under the same circumstances who had to live a life just the same until his untimely demise. So I know first hand that Al Pacino played the character just how he would be in real life so to me its just not some cocaine sniffing gun shooting movie its more like a true story of the man I knew. Don't put down a film you know nothing about.
Spielberg has made some pretty cheesy movies, but the guy has undoubted talent. Mainstream and as big of blockbusters as he has made he still has real talent, though it is often squandered.
James Cameron though.....what really great movie has he ever made? I mean Terminator was cool and all, but that doesn't get him on my list of top 20 directors. Titanic was cheesy as all get up.
M Night is way overhyped. I mean "The Sixth Sense" was very good but "Signs" and "Unbreakable" were so-so. I wouldn't use one good movies (not one of the all-time greats) to put a guy in the class of elite directors.
I think you have all missed a few names though.
Orson Welles - way, way ahead of his time
Errol Morris - I know most people don't like documentaries much, but I love them, and this guy has made by far the best collection of films in recent history.
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
COMPLETELY WRONG. You clearly don't appreciate this film at all because you don't know how it is to be in the position the character was in I won't tell you how but I knew a person in the same exact position just not on that level who came here to the US under the same circumstances who had to live a life just the same until his untimely demise. So I know first hand that Al Pacino played the character just how he would be in real life so to me its just not some cocaine sniffing gun shooting movie its more like a true story of the man I knew. Don't put down a film you know nothing about.
I'm "wrong" and don't appreciate a movie because I don't know someone who "lived like he did"? 🙄
Thank you for that totally irrrelevant, prejudice, and assinine assumption. You logic is seriously ****ed, and I smell bullshit.
Originally posted by vvvrulz
For originality, Quinten Tarantino 😎
You're joking, right? 😕
Originally posted by scabby mcgee
James Cameron though.....what really great movie has he ever made? I mean Terminator was cool and all, but that doesn't get him on my list of top 20 directors.
Uhh..he only wrote AND directed "Aliens", "Terminator", "Terminator 2", and "The Abyss". For the handful of movies he's done, he's godly. Of course, no matter how much you may dislike "Titanic", that's his too.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Point well taken - you have no interest in great cinema as art - and if a film doesn't "entertain" then you don't want to know.Personally i'm open to being moved, mystified, educated, bewildered, angered, excited, enraged... but thats just strange old me.
But that begs the question - Why would you list a bunch of mainstream directors (ok, Luc Besson is the exception) in a "most talented of all time" thread, unless like Myth you don't actually care about what topic a thread is addressing and just like to list your fave "entertaining" directors.
Yes, I know trying to talk about film in a serious manner at KMC is (given - as you say - the clientele) perhaps a waste of time, but dont expect me to quit any time soon: I have my reasons.
As to rental of any of my directors listed - try going a non multipex cinema once in a while, you may even find the popcorn tastes better: hell even blockbuster has a foreign film section. Tho Wilder, Polanski and Whale don't count as "foreign film" assuming you meant "not in english"?
Jesus F*cking Christ. You are a know it all little shit aren't you. I post my favorite directors and you attack me. So I clarify that they are my favs and not the greatest of all time and you attack me again for not doing 'exactly' as the topic says. I tell you to back off and you still attack me along with criticizing others.
Anyway, I also disagree with Scarface just being a "tough guy" act. It has possibly one of the greatest character developments in movie history (IMO, but don't attack me for it). I'd also like to add that Brian Depalma also did Carlito's Way which I don't think gets as much recognition as it deserves.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I'm "wrong" and don't appreciate a movie because I don't know someone who "lived like he did"? 🙄Thank you for that totally irrrelevant, prejudice, and assinine assumption. You logic is seriously ****ed, and I smell bullshit.
You're joking, right? 😕
Uhh..he only wrote AND directed "Aliens", "Terminator", "Terminator 2", and "The Abyss". For the handful of movies he's done, he's godly. Of course, no matter how much you may dislike "Titanic", that's his too.
What I'm sayng is that you don't know how those times really were its about coming to the US and having no choice but to either sell drugs or be homeless. Its not just sensless violence and drug use there is actual story behind it all if you ever took the time to read a history book. Prejudice?? You smell bullshit??
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
What I'm sayng is that you don't know how those times really were its about coming to the US and having no choice but to either sell drugs or be homeless. Its not just sensless violence and drug use there is actual story behind it all if you ever took the time to read a history book. Prejudice?? You smell bullshit??
Well, since Tony Montana is a fictional character, I don't think the story of he, or any other Cuban immigrant cum drug lord will be chronicled in any history book.
And yes, I am well aware of the actual story behind the movie. It's the same of that in the 1932 "Scarface", the American dream, and one man's rise and subsequent fall, just like Al Capone. It was nothing new.
For you to flat out assume that I don't know what it's like having to sell something, or be homeless, like I said, is ludicrous. You don't know the first thing about me, so don't even start with me. That's the prejudice I am talking about. It isn't just applied to race, believe it or not.
Lastly, yes, I smell bullshit. Just because you claimed you lived next door Scarface doesn't help you relate to the theme of the movie. Unless you've lived it, I highly doubt you know the intricacies of a drug cartel.
I think you're just shooting your mouth off, frankly, given the cloak of anonymity you've been dawning since your arrival. Dodging questions about your age, your location, claiming to know about filmmaking. These aren't assumptions, just observations. Don't be so secretive, unless you have something to hide, kid.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Well, since Tony Montana is a fictional character, I don't think the story of he, or any other Cuban immigrant cum drug lord will be chronicled in any history book.And yes, I am well aware of the actual story behind the movie. It's the same of that in the 1932 "Scarface", the American dream, and one man's rise and subsequent fall, just like Al Capone. It was nothing new.
For you to flat out assume that I don't know what it's like having to sell something, or be homeless, like I said, is ludicrous. You don't know the first thing about me, so don't even start with me. That's the prejudice I am talking about. It isn't just applied to race, believe it or not.
Lastly, yes, I smell bullshit. Just because you claimed you lived next door Scarface doesn't help you relate to the theme of the movie. Unless you've lived it, I highly doubt you know the intricacies of a drug cartel.
I think you're just shooting your mouth off, frankly, given the cloak of anonymity you've been dawning since your arrival. Dodging questions about your age, your location, claiming to know about filmmaking. These aren't assumptions, just observations. Don't be so secretive, unless you have something to hide, kid.
WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. The story behind it is about what actually happended in the early 80's when Fidel Castro and Jimmi Carter nogotiated to send about 10,000 Cubans to the US in ships and among those was the character Scarface but in real life I knew one of those people very closely. When they got here they either worked for next to nothing in some dump or sold drugs I'm not saying its right but its what most of them chose to do at the time which ended in either death or prison. I don't have to tell you anything about myself and neither does anyone else here but I will tell you this I'm certainly not a Quote 'kid'. I am familiar the intricacies of a drug cartel but I didn't live it but like I said before I knew someone very close who did. The rest of the story yes was the rise and fall of a character but some of the story around it was real. I don't know you and you don't me for so for now how about neither one of us makes an assumption about the other.