Originally posted by ragesRemorse
It isnt about money you Blow hard. Stop readng what you want to read, and read my post. damn dude. i care a shit less about money i just dont want to support people who dont do a god damn thing for what they deserve. I could seriously be poorer and be happier, i mean seriously. I dont find peace and happiness in materialistc objects. I am brainwashed?You Obviously did not get a damn thing i just said. America is weak pussies. Everyone whins and bit.ches and moans because they dont have enough money. Why not just work for what you get. this is bushs belifes, you work hard and you get what you deserve. Kerry just wants to you free stuff so you will follow his command. He will stay in power and mold this country into a terrible place to live. A place where the honest person isnt the one who is preferred or acknowledged, over the easy way.dont worry it is ok. Liberlism is a diesease you can accept it now. There are many like you. it is ok. no one wants to hurt you, lets talk about your feelings,because we dont want to hurt them of course...fu8ckin liberal
to respond to urs and Bushes work hard get money "solution" ....you know most people living in the ghetto can't get out ofthe ghetto, and even if they do they're family can't...the whole point about giving "free stuff"" as you put it is so that they have a chance to succeed in the american society. The rich, the white, even the upper middle class have life easier and get better chances then the poor, the immigrant families and their children do. If you just say "go get work" that's not going to solve anything. The government tried that already and it didn't work, so now for the less fortunate who in many cases were put in their situation because of society itself, they're are ways for them to get an even shot....just like affirmative action, same type of reasoning.
dont give me that shit. Human beings have the freedom of choice no matter what their goverment impresses. If people can escape a country under a ragiem of a terroristic murderer, or hike across the desserts of Africa only to witness the entire tribe of their people being slughtered by soldiers that are sent out to kill all chiristians or to watch them ravaged by animals. If these people can escape across an entire country, figth to become a refugee and start a new life in America, then getting out of the ghetto is not that enitirely hard. Sacrifices must be made in life to achieve greatness, no matter who you are. If you work hard enough and stay focused, you can escape the Ghetto very esasily, ounce you reach a strong age. I have had many friends from ghetto's around the world, One's much worse than here in America. they seem to stay focsued , Work hard and use the system to their adantage.
I guess this would require to much work though,because when you can just squeaze out 3 kids from faceless daddies and live the rest of your life in section 8 housing on welfare, never having to work a day in your life well hard work becomes the laziness or the hell that you have created your own life into Willingly. In this country you can do or become anything you want to, as long as you work for it, and stay focused. There is nothing at all wrong with using welfare programs or section 8 housing, not at all.as long as you use it and not take advantage of it, and bit.ch and moan about the 100$ rent you got to pay. Welfare should be a stepping stone, used as a crutch to get yourself situated and back on your feet, or for a single parent who actually wants to become somthing in their life,a nd isnt looking for a fre ride, and how much free shit they can get for themselves.
Why should a Working man who works his entire life. Working 6 days a week. Raises two kids, puts them through college, manages to keep them off the streets and awa y from drugs and never needing to go to welfare have to live a harder life than a single parent who has two kids and no job? When these people on welfare get sick, their medical bills get eaten, their 100,000$ medical bills get eaten, and the working class man gets the backlashes of those bills. dont give me your whiny shit about the ghetto. yeah it is sad, it is sad people dont let them selves scacrifice certain things to pull themselves away from places like these. I know there are certain situations in life though where people get stuck in the ghetto life, and cant escape no matter how hard they try, but again this is the same for every other person who cant make ends meet in their life, the people who work for eevery god damn thing they get.things are tough all over buddy, not just poverty ridden, crime and drug infested ghettos, things like this dont exist soley in ghetto's incase you havent been out a little bit. why should i feel worse for people in ghettos than people who choose to work their fingers to the bone to live in a decent neighbor hood? If they didnt work hard no matter the color, they too would be in the ghetto's and slums of the country.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
dont give me that shit. Human beings have the freedom of choice no matter what their goverment impresses. If people can escape a country under a ragiem of a terroristic murderer, or hike across the desserts of Africa only to witness the entire tribe of their people being slughtered by soldiers that are sent out to kill all chiristians or to watch them ravaged by animals. If these people can escape across an entire country, figth to become a refugee and start a new life in America, then getting out of the ghetto is not that enitirely hard. Sacrifices must be made in life to achieve greatness, no matter who you are. If you work hard enough and stay focused, you can escape the Ghetto very esasily, ounce you reach a strong age. I have had many friends from ghetto's around the world, One's much worse than here in America. they seem to stay focsued , Work hard and use the system to their adantage.I guess this would require to much work though,because when you can just squeaze out 3 kids from faceless daddies and live the rest of your life in section 8 housing on welfare, never having to work a day in your life well hard work becomes the laziness or the hell that you have created your own life into Willingly. In this country you can do or become anything you want to, as long as you work for it, and stay focused. There is nothing at all wrong with using welfare programs or section 8 housing, not at all.as long as you use it and not take advantage of it, and bit.ch and moan about the 100$ rent you got to pay. Welfare should be a stepping stone, used as a crutch to get yourself situated and back on your feet, or for a single parent who actually wants to become somthing in their life,a nd isnt looking for a fre ride, and how much free shit they can get for themselves.
Why should a Working man who works his entire life. Working 6 days a week. Raises two kids, puts them through college, manages to keep them off the streets and awa y from drugs and never needing to go to welfare have to live a harder life than a single parent who has two kids and no job? When these people on welfare get sick, their medical bills get eaten, their 100,000$ medical bills get eaten, and the working class man gets the backlashes of those bills. dont give me your whiny shit about the ghetto. yeah it is sad, it is sad people dont let them selves scacrifice certain things to pull themselves away from places like these. I know there are certain situations in life though where people get stuck in the ghetto life, and cant escape no matter how hard they try, but again this is the same for every other person who cant make ends meet in their life, the people who work for eevery god damn thing they get.things are tough all over buddy, not just poverty ridden, crime and drug infested ghettos, things like this dont exist soley in ghetto's incase you havent been out a little bit. why should i feel worse for people in ghettos than people who choose to work their fingers to the bone to live in a decent neighbor hood? If they didnt work hard no matter the color, they too would be in the ghetto's and slums of the country.
113: Yeah human being have freedom of choice no matter what, that is true, but some people can't deal with lets say supporting a family while going to school. If you have a baby well in order to support the baby you need to have money and you need a job for that, but to get a good job you need an education, but while you're getting this education who's going to pay for what your family needs...not much of a choice there, that's where the government is supposed to help. Nad yes it is the governments resposibility to look after it's own peoples well being ..that means their physical safety as well as their economic safety (especially since we live in America) ANd that's a common misconception ("when you work hard enough and stay focused, you can escape the Ghetto very easily, ounce you reach a strong age"😉 if you do have a child or lets say have to support your sick grandma who has cancer because of lead and/or asbestos in the air, then you don't have an option, you must take care of her and spend your money to take her to hospital, spend your time to care for her, etc etc....see the thing with george bush and the reppublican party is that they don't take these things into consideration...and they judge and assume things about people they don't even know....who's to say what the reason is these people need help? The POINT is they NEED help if they ever want to get out of their situation, and that is a fact...not everything in the world can be solved with hard work, and that's what the republicans seem to think time and time again. Well they've been saying that for awhile now and do you see any changes? No, so we need a candidate who will make changes so that everyone in this country can be on the same playing field...that's the point of America anyway...to give everyone equal opportuniy...in fact one of the banners in the rnc convention was "land of opportunity" well they should start going by that
"because when you can just squeaze out 3 kids from faceless daddies and live the rest of your life in section 8 housing on welfare" ....I can't believe you jsut said that. You're assuming that's what happens all over. People in the ghettos squeeze out 3 babies? Again that's just the kind of thinking that feeds the republican party. It's ridiculous. And as a president or any politican you're not supposed to assume things like this, and that's exactly what Bush does, assumes things like that..and just writes it off as lack of hard work.
And lastly, i never said you should just feel bad for the people in the Ghettos, in fact i never asked you to feel sorry for them at all...the point and obligation of the government is the help them....and that goes for any person suffering from poverty in america. It's not just people in the ghettos on welfare (and i never said it was), so i know what you're saying, but i used it at as example because it's something i witness everyday. And again i'll say it one more time....you can't assume things about people all across america, and that's what the republican party does, and they act on those assumptions and it's time it stopped. And you know it's not just the poorest people in America that want Bush out, when one large group of america suffers we all suffer as a society...it's not just us and them (as the republicans seem to think)
Speak for yourself, I have a good job...and if I didn't I wouldn't blame the president. Its MY responsibility to provide for myself and my family. I guess personal accountability isn't too important an issue to most libs though. Why blame yourself when you can blame an evil republican politician?
Buck-passing jackasses.
Originally posted by Creechuur
Speak for yourself, I have a good job...and if I didn't I wouldn't blame the president. Its MY responsibility to provide for myself and my family. I guess personal accountability isn't too important an issue to most libs though. Why blame yourself when you can blame an evil republican politician?Buck-passing jackasses.
You know it's that same mentality that lead to the great depression getting worse and worse and worse...that is until FDR stepped in and created the New Deal....government helping it's people, not just telling them to help themselves (which is what Hoover did, and which Bush is now doing)....history is jsut repeating itself...i thought we learned from this, apparently not.
that is the same mentality that made the depression become worse and worse? how the hell do you figure? It isnt hard to get a good job today. You may not like the job you can get, but it doesnt take away the fact that you cant get one. All you need is expierence. Expierence is what counts in the work force of today. Yes there are times when the best applicate isnt chosen, but not nearly as much as you owuld like to believe. If your determined and stay focused you can find a good job. Again it is working for what you get.
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
that is the same mentality that made the depression become worse and worse? how the hell do you figure? It isnt hard to get a good job today. You may not like the job you can get, but it doesnt take away the fact that you cant get one. All you need is expierence. Expierence is what counts in the work force of today. Yes there are times when the best applicate isnt chosen, but not nearly as much as you owuld like to believe. If your determined and stay focused you can find a good job. Again it is working for what you get.
Not all people get that experience, not all people get a good education so that they can get good jobs, not all people have to option of spending time in school, not all people have the money to get a good education, and people just starting out won't have experience in the job they're after...that's why we need the government...and i mentioned the depression because Hoover kept saying "we're making progress" meanwhile more people were losing the jobs, the situation got worse, people were starving.
And are you kidding me with the "it isnt' hard to find a job today?" That's a completely lie...maybe where you live you can find a good job...but here you read the newspaper and you see a story (long or small) about how hard it is to get a job...or you talk to someone just out of college trying to find a job, or people who haven't even gone to college trying to find a job, and it's anything but easy..my sister is STILL trying to find a decent job and she's been out of college for a year....my other sister a few years back when she graduated from college had a really hard time finding a decent job, she finally got one, but it paid crap. So she found a new job (another lengthy search) and that one i better, but still doesn't pay enough. Even finding simple jobs like a camp councelor, or working at like a small business(which a lot of teenagers do as a summer job) is hard. Jobs are anything but easy to find
What a bunch of whiners. You act as if you have no say in your own existence. It doesn't matter how bad the ecomomy or the job market gets, if you want to earn your keep you'll figure out a way to do so. If you don't, you'll whine about how hard it is to get a job because of some distant politician. Meh.
I have no problem with government assistance programs, as long as they are not misused. Government assistance is supposed to be there to help people get on their feet and become self-reliant. All too often lazy people decide to just live off that shit for as long as they can. Thats what I have a problem with.
Typical liberal crap. They say theyre doing such a good service for the community, when all theyre doing is keeping people from getting out from under theyre bootheel. They own your ass, but they do it so politically correctly and with a big grin on their faces the morons who support them don't even realize theyre being kept down. The dems will give you all the freedom you want as long as they stay in power and you stay on the government teat.
No thanks, I'll just earn my own keep.
Originally posted by 113
Not all people get that experience, not all people get a good education so that they can get good jobs, not all people have to option of spending time in school, not all people have the money to get a good education, and people just starting out won't have experience in the job they're after...that's why we need the government...and i mentioned the depression because Hoover kept saying "we're making progress" meanwhile more people were losing the jobs, the situation got worse, people were starving.And are you kidding me with the "it isnt' hard to find a job today?" That's a completely lie...maybe where you live you can find a good job...but here you read the newspaper and you see a story (long or small) about how hard it is to get a job...or you talk to someone just out of college trying to find a job, or people who haven't even gone to college trying to find a job, and it's anything but easy..my sister is STILL trying to find a decent job and she's been out of college for a year....my other sister a few years back when she graduated from college had a really hard time finding a decent job, she finally got one, but it paid crap. So she found a new job (another lengthy search) and that one i better, but still doesn't pay enough. Even finding simple jobs like a camp councelor, or working at like a small business(which a lot of teenagers do as a summer job) is hard. Jobs are anything but easy to find
Working hard for what you get, was not a mentality that worsend the great depression. If anything it is the mentality that came from the depression.
It isnt hard to find a good job in required feilds. Not if you look and are determined. MAny people out of college get majors in un required feilds, and or hold out until they can get their "dream job" . Of course it will be hard to get a good job. Just because you get the education doesnt mean it should or will be handed to you on a platter. You have to work for one, move up and get the expierence people want. Education is a big plus in getting a job,but the bigger tribute people want is expierence. Here in Pittsburgh it is one of the hardest places to get a secure job, but it is still accomplished by determined people who dont bi.*tch and blame the goverment. Yeah you may not get a job you want,but you can still always find a half decent job to support yourself none the less. Always. there are problems with lay offs and people getting salary decreases,but it still doesnt mean they cant find a job, or struggle to make ends meet. It has been done since the birth of this country.raising taxes, or increasing the funds in goverment assistance programs will no way help these problems.
Originally posted by Creechuur
What a bunch of whiners. You act as if you have no say in your own existence. It doesn't matter how bad the ecomomy or the job market gets, if you want to earn your keep you'll figure out a way to do so. If you don't, you'll whine about how hard it is to get a job because of some distant politician. Meh.I have no problem with government assistance programs, as long as they are not misused. Government assistance is supposed to be there to help people get on their feet and become self-reliant. All too often lazy people decide to just live off that shit for as long as they can. Thats what I have a problem with.
Typical liberal crap. They say theyre doing such a good service for the community, when all theyre doing is keeping people from getting out from under theyre bootheel. They own your ass, but they do it so politically correctly and with a big grin on their faces the morons who support them don't even realize theyre being kept down. The dems will give you all the freedom you want as long as they stay in power and you stay on the government teat.
No thanks, I'll just earn my own keep.
no but you're assuming that all the people who need help in this country are just lazy....how do you know that??? And you know what even if the majority of people in this country who were poor were just lazy that still doesn't mean the government should turn it's back on them. Governments help their people, no matter what period.
And again, don't assume that every person who gets government assistance is just using it cause they're lazy
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Working hard for what you get, was not a mentality that worsend the great depression. If anything it is the mentality that came from the depression.It isnt hard to find a good job in required feilds. Not if you look and are determined. MAny people out of college get majors in un required feilds, and or hold out until they can get their "dream job" . Of course it will be hard to get a good job. Just because you get the education doesnt mean it should or will be handed to you on a platter. You have to work for one, move up and get the expierence people want. Education is a big plus in getting a job,but the bigger tribute people want is expierence. Here in Pittsburgh it is one of the hardest places to get a secure job, but it is still accomplished by determined people who dont bi.*tch and blame the goverment. Yeah you may not get a job you want,but you can still always find a half decent job to support yourself none the less. Always. there are problems with lay offs and people getting salary decreases,but it still doesnt mean they cant find a job, or struggle to make ends meet. It has been done since the birth of this country.raising taxes, or increasing the funds in goverment assistance programs will no way help these problems.
Then what will help these problems? Decreasing the funds? And that doing this would make people "get off their lazy asses?" If anything that worses the situation, al lthat would cause are people who would start to starve to death, and live in more poverty. If that happens it would be the equivelent of the government turning it's back on it's people.
"And again, don't assume that every person who gets government assistance is just using it cause they're lazy"
Youre trippin. I never once said or assumed any such thing. How many times have RR and I told you about reading into things? Again, you half-read a post, pick something out, and attack it without ever getting what we are trying to say in the first place. This is getting boring.
Originally posted by 113
no but you're assuming that all the people who need help in this country are just lazy....how do you know that??? And you know what even if the majority of people in this country who were poor were just lazy that still doesn't mean the government should turn it's back on them. Governments help their people, no matter what period.And again, don't assume that every person who gets government assistance is just using it cause they're lazy
dude,where do you think the money comes from that the Goverment gives to these poor welfare people? It comes from anyone who has a god damn job. MAybe some backs should be turned on these abosrbanty poor people who get free rides and bi.tch all the time how bad they have it. Lord knows backs are tunred on the middle class man who struggle to stay off the streets. Bush actualy wants to make things easier for people work hard in this country and stil have nothing to show for it. I mean i am poor, if i miss a paycheck, iget to live in the dark, i wont get to go to school. I dont complain, because this is the way it is. I dont expect anyone to help me. You know what pisses me off though. I pay five hundred daollars a month for a shitty hole in the wall of an apartment. I pay it so i can stay in a decent area that isnt a project. Well these apartments have become section 8 housing. I get to keep paying five hundred dollars. while other people pay 100 dollars or less. They have top of the line cars and fresh new clothing, because they abuse welfare and other programs,and still have the gull to say this goverment is twisted and doesnt do a damn thing for them.
the majority of people on welfare dont have or hold down steady jobs. this is a fact Doesnt that strike you as well...Bullshit. the Bush administation has made welfare a four year maximum. Kerry wants to make it indefaintly and giive more free shit and money to people who dont want to work.
People who make devent money,but dont make enough to make ends meet in this country arent offered anything.Only the supremely poor and rich. Of course there is no problem with a welfare program. People lagitamently need this at times. For many people though it somthing they think is offered to them. I was always completely for welfare and free healthcare to the poor until i had to start living my own life in the real world. Ounce my ears and eyes were open. I realized the truth.
Originally posted by bardock
1000 soliders dead today. highest healthcare increase ever on monday. thanks bush, time to be shaved
It is called war man. you mean to tell me, you are seriously surprised that American soldiers are dying? I cant stand how the media spin this god damn war. The only time they reffernce the war is to post the body count on each side, as if it is some kind of fu.ckin game. then they go on a 10 minute rant about president clintons surgery. Who gives a fu.ck. dont give me any shit about the healthcare under bushs administration. When you learn what kerry proposes to do with healthcare, come back and then we'll talk. that ass hole wants to introduce free healthcare. I dont suppose you understand what that would intail.