I guess you forgot about vietnam ay? Veitnam was never declared a war. Besides we are not at war. we over there trying to rebuild order. It isnt declared as a war, but we are still at war with regiem's and militants. any one who uses common sense and bothers to watch the news or reads the paper from time to time understand this.We are at war with terrorism and this is terrorism Soldiers die all the time. 400 soldiers died going to Africa trying just to give shelter and food. It is war any way you want to look at it. Just because it doesnt have the official title. Lord know vietnam never had the official title of war.
oh yeah after the gulf war ended, US soldiers were still killed long after.Use comon sense man.
in 5....maybe 10 years....Americans will look back on what GW did and be proud to be an American. 1000 lives is a small price to pay in order to bring those people freedom. NO they might not have absolute and complete freedom now, but give it time. Wars aren't meant to last only a year...the effects are meant to be felt long term.
I don't really have what you would call "faith in God," but I do have faith in humanity...
Who says that Bush is a prude?
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Originally posted by Linkalicious
in 5....maybe 10 years....Americans will look back on what GW did and be proud to be an American. 1000 lives is a small price to pay in order to bring those people freedom. NO they might not have absolute and complete freedom now, but give it time. Wars aren't meant to last only a year...the effects are meant to be felt long term.I don't really have what you would call "faith in God," but I do have faith in humanity...
Well i think what has been done by the US in rebuilding Iraq is a damn good start at giving freedom to country that never had it under a dictatorship. Iraq never had clean drinking water through out the entire city. They do now. Many places were without electricity or powered by a faultering system. Now they have electrical grids being set. The citezens can actually see what is going on around the world with freedom of speech. Now the papers or T.V they recieve are not akida published.
Schoolong for all chilren is being reintroduced into the country. Before the select few who went to school would spend the entire days studying religoun and hearing how evil America is.
there are a great deal of great things happening for Iraq. america has given them a chance for a peak of democracy. I am not saying democracy is somthing a country should adopt because it was given. It is just the fact, that they have that chance now. what they do with it is their choice. america will be there for a while continuing to rebuild and locate miliants and ragiems Their culture or religoun will not and hasnt been touched , but the choice for a democracy has been given.
so tell me why the u.s didn't go in ten or twelve years ago?. yes iraq has some sort of freedom, but bush is holding the world to ransom over rebuilding it, why deny france and the other non alliance countries? why did he lie about w.o.m.d?
were all happy saddam was deposed, but maybe the price was too high.
the ends NEVER justify the means
yah but people like you feel
a.) Any price is too high a price
b.) do the ends EVER justify the means (not just in this situation)
When the US gained their freedom, there were more casualties and more hardships felt (due to those casualties) and I would most certainly say those ends justified the means. You haven't even given this situation a chance to start clearing up. Like I said in my last post...give it 5 or 10 years. Worldwide Issues and War don't just "vanish" after a year...show some patience.
Why didn't they do it 12 years ago? Dunno...they should have when they had the chance.
and why the hell should France have anything to do with this? France didn't do anything but complain about the situation and criticize the US for their actions.
That's like enrolling into a class....never showing up, doing homework, or taking tests....but then expecting an A on their report card at the end of the semester. They did nothing positive, so they should gain nothing positive.
people like me?
first of all, the u.s. gaining their freedom was a noble effort and a just war, like the irish independence. u cannot compare those with iraq because its a different situation, the u.s. and ireland natives acheived freedom themselves, it was not forced upon them. In Iraq yhe ends do not justify the means, the u.s. and ireland are different cases altogether
as for france and the others, they genuinely wanted to help iraq, not reduce it to rubble. Rebuilding iraq is a just cause, killing civilians and toirturing prisoners the way they did was wrong, simple as that.
forcing freedom?
kind of a contradictory concept you have going there. Of course no Iraqi would wish for Saddam to be gone if it meant complete anarchy amongst the country...which it has been thus far. But as I stated...give it time. Aside from those Iraqi's who pockets were being feeded directly by Saddam himself, if you were to ask a common Iraqi to choose between Saddam as a RULER (not leader) and having a government ruled by the people...
Which one do you think they would choose?
Oh and as for your "where's the WMD's?"
Saddam Hussein and his two sons are responsible for the deaths of far more people than any one Weapon of Mass Destruction could ever be capable of doing. He holds down the growth of his own people in order to keep himself above all else.
you want WMD? You've got 3. 2 of them are dead, and one of them is being held prisoner.
I can't defend what American soldiers did to the Iraqi prisoners because what they did was inhuman. No one deserves to be captured and humiliated like that. And I expect better from any nation...especially my own.
yes iraq may be better off eventually, and i hope they do become an independent nation free of what came before.
what i meant by wmds was bush and blair lying to the rest of the world, and tyo be honest their motives werent all that honourable, what about somalia and north korea? somalia is in a worse state than iraq when saddam was in power, and north korea is steadily stockpiling nukes. surely they should be higher on the agenda than iraq. but they dont have oil fields. Saddam was no danger to the world, only to iraq, yes he hurt a lot of people, but there are more deserving countries.
The Lying is nothing new...it's what is known as propoganda. I'm sure you know what that is...
I'm not too familiar with what's going on in Somalia or what went on at the time, but can i ask...are the people of Somalia being held back by a ruthless dictator?
The Iraqi's are smart people. They are capable of so much more than they have accomplished thus far accomplished under Saddam's reign. Better education, sanitized water, and electricity are all things that Iraqi's are easily capable of providing for themselves, yet all of them do not have it because Saddam is too busy gold plating everything in each of his many mansions.
All i wanted to hear was that 1st comment you made on the post above this...
yes iraq may be better off eventually, and i hope they do become an independent nation free of what came before.
^ THAT is all I wanted to hear...
fine, but somalia is ten times worse off than iraq was when bush piled in, all i want to know is why not help countries who need it more. Somalia has no governement, it is run by warlords, the amount of refugees who have left is astounding, and most of these people have experienced horrible things that would make saddam look like a boy scout. it is one of many countries who could do with help.
my point is that if bush really cared about helping people he'd help those who need it the most first. but all he cares about is making america the rulers of the world
I don't think humans have come that far as a whole just yet...
Bush (and probably many other to follow) does these things for the better good of humanity, but of course he's going to want to get a little something back in return.
It'd be nice if all the world's leaders were like Mother Theresa...but we just haven't gotten that far as a people yet. EVERYONE wants something in return....