It was the film-makers who decided what colour hair Legolas should have, it was the film-makers who decided what lines he should speak. As for his Elvish I think he deserves credit for actually learning it in the first place. Most of the issues people in this thread seem to have with Orlando are things that he probably had little control over.
As for Legolas arguing with Aragorn at Helm's Deep, Legolas is a prince himself and Aragorn at that time was the future King of Men not the King of M.E.
Originally posted by eezy45
If you read all the books you'd just *know* he isn't the Legolas character. And I support Sauron's opinions.
Err... I've been a LOTR fan for over twenty years... and Orlando did just fine as Legolas, alright so maybe he isn't the best actor in the movie but he still fits the role he was given.
Could you give examples of what you mean about him not being the Legolas character?
Originally posted by daronisgod
It was the film-makers who decided what colour hair Legolas should have, it was the film-makers who decided what lines he should speak. As for his Elvish I think he deserves credit for actually learning it in the first place. Most of the issues people in this thread seem to have with Orlando are things that he probably had little control over.As for Legolas arguing with Aragorn at Helm's Deep, Legolas is a prince himself and Aragorn at that time was the future King of Men not the King of M.E.
Err... I've been a LOTR fan for over twenty years... and Orlando did just fine as Legolas, alright so maybe he isn't the best actor in the movie but he still fits the role he was given.
Could you give examples of what you mean about him not being the Legolas character?
The film makers? the film makers?
I suppose what tolkien wrote has no major importance in your mind then?
Legolas argued because he is arrogant, look at the lothlorien scene, pure arrogance, he thinks he is better than everyone else in the fellowship.
In the book legolas is a fountai....no not a fountain, hes more like a...small slightly rusted garden tap of knowldge
In the film he is rejected and made to state the obvious "a diversion"
Wow, elves are so clever these days.
Although the actress who played legolas, she was alright i suppose.
Originally posted by Darth Sauron
The film makers? the film makers?I suppose what tolkien wrote has no major importance in your mind then?
What the hell are you talking about???
I didn't say once that the changes were alright, or that they were the right decisions or that Tolkien doesn't matter.
I was trying to explain that Orlando Bloom, probably didn't have much of a say in most of the things you guys are blaming him for.
Don't put words in my mouth...
I'm trying to say that your problem should be with PJ, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens not Orlando Bloom since it is them that decided he should have blonde hair and all the rest of it.
I'm NOT saying that PJ and co were right in making changes, I'm saying that blaming Orlando Bloom is silly because he probably didn't have much say in that matter, just like the rest of the cast probably (certainly mostly) didn't have much choice in what lines they said, or what clothes they wore.
Legolas argued because he is arrogant, look at the lothlorien scene, pure arrogance, he thinks he is better than everyone else in the fellowship.
Which Lothlorien scene, please, could you be a little bit more specific, because I'm not sure what scene you are referring to...
How on earth do you come up with film Legolas thinks he is better than the rest of the fellowship:
Once, once he says he thinks Aragorn is wrong, he then apologises and says 'we have followed you this far you have not led us astray' or something very similar. The entire rest of the 10 + hour film he does everything he can to support Aragorn and the rest of the fellowship, he follows Aragorn into all sorts of dangerous situations, so your claim that he thinks he is better than everyone else is ludicrous, if he did why would he follow Aragorn around only once questioning his decisions, if he thought he was better than Aragorn he would question him all the time.
In the book legolas is a fountai....no not a fountain, hes more like a...small slightly rusted garden tap of knowldge
In the film he is rejected and made to state the obvious "a diversion"
Wow, elves are so clever these days.
He says "A diversion" to let Aragorn know that he supports him, exactly what you claim he isn't doing.
Although the actress who played legolas, she was alright i suppose.
Calling Orlando Bloom names, is a little silly isn't it, and it isn't going to bother me much since Legolas has never been one of my favourite characters and Orlando Bloom doesn't really interest me that much, but it will bother the Legolas/Orli fans in here and I don't see what good will come of that, besides possibly making you look a bit juvenile.
I appreciate that you don't think much of his acting skills (neither do I, to be honest) and that you don't like his portrayal of Legolas (though as I pointed out earlier I think that is mostly due to PJ and co.) but please, I'd expect that kind of thing from my son and his 9 and 10 year old friends.
Originally posted by daronisgodWhat the hell are you talking about???
I didn't say once that the changes were alright, or that they were the right decisions or that Tolkien doesn't matter.
I was trying to explain that Orlando Bloom, probably didn't have much of a say in most of the things you guys are blaming him for.
Don't put words in my mouth...
I'm trying to say that your problem should be with PJ, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens not Orlando Bloom since it is them that decided he should have blonde hair and all the rest of it.
I'm NOT saying that PJ and co were right in making changes, I'm saying that blaming Orlando Bloom is silly because he probably didn't have much say in that matter, just like the rest of the cast probably (certainly mostly) didn't have much choice in what lines they said, or what clothes they wore.
Which Lothlorien scene, please, could you be a little bit more specific, because I'm not sure what scene you are referring to...
How on earth do you come up with film Legolas thinks he is better than the rest of the fellowship:
Once, once he says he thinks Aragorn is wrong, he then apologises and says 'we have followed you this far you have not led us astray' or something very similar. The entire rest of the 10 + hour film he does everything he can to support Aragorn and the rest of the fellowship, he follows Aragorn into all sorts of dangerous situations, so your claim that he thinks he is better than everyone else is ludicrous, if he did why would he follow Aragorn around only once questioning his decisions, if he thought he was better than Aragorn he would question him all the time.
He says "A diversion" to let Aragorn know that he supports him, exactly what you claim he isn't doing.
Calling Orlando Bloom names, is a little silly isn't it, and it isn't going to bother me much since Legolas has never been one of my favourite characters and Orlando Bloom doesn't really interest me that much, but it will bother the Legolas/Orli fans in here and I don't see what good will come of that, besides possibly making you look a bit juvenile.
I appreciate that you don't think much of his acting skills (neither do I, to be honest) and that you don't like his portrayal of Legolas (though as I pointed out earlier I think that is mostly due to PJ and co.) but please, I'd expect that kind of thing from my son and his 9 and 10 year old friends.
And my problem is with PJ, if you bothered to look a few pages back you can even see a thread i made about my problems with PJ
The lothrorien scene where he refuses to be blindfolded because hes an elf, and doesnt need that kind of thing, even when it is threatened they will go no further without a blindfold legolas -still- keeps his whining going.
If i offend the legolas/orli fans here then thats their problem, i am allowed to display my opinion on these boards, if they disagree then they can challenge me about it, and i will give them my reasons for thinking so, and they can give me theirs, hence the discussion part of the forum.
I was joking about the name calling 😐 i have been here months, and always, i insult legolas whenever i can and not once has anybody complained. This is a friendly place and people realise others are joking.
😐
Originally posted by Darth Sauron
And my problem is with PJ, if you bothered to look a few pages back you can even see a thread i made about my problems with PJThe lothrorien scene where he refuses to be blindfolded because hes an elf, and doesnt need that kind of thing, even when it is threatened they will go no further without a blindfold legolas -still- keeps his whining going.
If i offend the legolas/orli fans here then thats their problem, i am allowed to display my opinion on these boards, if they disagree then they can challenge me about it, and i will give them my reasons for thinking so, and they can give me theirs, hence the discussion part of the forum.
I was joking about the name calling 😐 i have been here months, and always, i insult legolas whenever i can and not once has anybody complained. This is a friendly place and people realise others are joking.
😐
I'm sorry I don't remember addressing my initial post to you, in fact I didn't mention you in it at all, I don't know where you got the idea I was addressing you... except possibly the part about Legolas arguing with Aragorn, and I wasn't even sure who had said that when I wrote my initial post, may have been you many not have been you.
I don't understand why you are arguing with me about things I never even talked about in my post... I never spoke to you directly but you seemed to infer that I was.
Of course you're allowed to post your opinion, as am I, which is what I did it was you who addressed me first... I may have mentioned one of your points in my first post. I don't actually recall whether it was you or not.
Then you replied to me implying that I thought "what Tolkien wrote has no major importance" thats a fairly huge leap from what I actually said, how did you expect me to react.
If you think name-calling is ok, thats entirely up to you, but I (and I'm positive I'm not the only one) think its childish.
I usually like to use smilies or some such to make positive everyone knows I'm joking because its not easy to tell on the internet.
Originally posted by Darth Sauron
Well i will use smilies in future.And practically every post you quoted was mine, thats where i got the idea you were addressing me, i changed my sig....
Yes, we both posted our opinions, had a small debate and agree to disagree?
I know I'm nitpicking now, but before you started arguing with me I didn't quote you at all, of course I quoted you after you replied to my post, because I was talking to you.
But yes I'd be happy to agree to disagree.
That would be best.
I know originally you werent addressing to me, but you disagreed with an opinion of mine, and i decided to explain my points, i dont like people thinking i dont like legolas because hes hot
I was happy to listen to your own opinion and reasons for having it, but i still stick with my own, although im not so stuck in it now, i realise that some of the things i said may have been immature to some extent.