Black Panther versus Batman.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Batman doesn't need assassins to defend him. Makes a guy wonder.

Your "lethal force" arguement works against you too. It is harder to take a guy down with non lethal force. Much much harder to take a guy down with fist than blades. This and your "runs a country" arguement both insist that Batman is the better fighter.

In addition, It is assumed that both people in a vs. thread will win at any means. Again, meaning that Batman is incalculably more dangerous than you assume.

I thought the vibranium only stopped metal? This would do nothing against Batman's punches. Feel free to correct me on this one.

His vibranium claws would never connect. A detail you have chosen to ignore even though you insist Batman is a better figher.

As for not comparing fair fights, I think it was you (although i'm not sure) who brought up BP beating Iron Man. And if we don't compare who've they've beat, how will we compare two different characters from two different universes? I'm open to suggestions on this one.

whether or not its harder, It says something about their character...just like u said GL had more of a warrior spirit than IW because he was willing to kill...well BP has more of a warrior spirit than Bats.

You dont know the properties of vibranium? I have to question your credibility since you dont seem to know much about Marvel...and its not vibranium claws...its antimetal claws...vibranium is what insulates his costume...if u want me to just ask, and I will inform you of vibranium's qualities...and BP has only encorporated the antimetal claws relatively recently...he has one the vast majority of his fights without, but they r a hell of an upgrade...

I brought up Iron Man...I was demonstrating BP's fighting style and superior agility and speed...however, saying BP can beat Bats because he beat Iron Man, would not be a good argument, I agree.

I see a pattern of you supporting DC guys over marvel guys and talking on and on about the DC guys with nothing to say about MArvel...why is this?

Originally posted by Wynndar
whether or not its harder, It says something about their character...just like u said GL had more of a warrior spirit than IW because he was willing to kill...well BP has more of a warrior spirit than Bats.

You dont know the properties of vibranium? I have to question your credibility since you dont seem to know much about Marvel...and its not vibranium claws...its antimetal claws...vibranium is what insulates his costume...if u want me to just ask, and I will inform you of vibranium's qualities...and BP has only encorporated the antimetal claws relatively recently...he has one the vast majority of his fights without, but they r a hell of an upgrade...

I brought up Iron Man...I was demonstrating BP's fighting style and superior agility and speed...however, saying BP can beat Bats because he beat Iron Man, would not be a good argument, I agree.

I see a pattern of you supporting DC guys over marvel guys and talking on and on about the DC guys with nothing to say about MArvel...why is this?

BP in no way has more fighting spirit or nature than Batman. He fights more often and possibly even more enthusiastically than BP. He spares your brain but breaks your leg, that's all.

No, not all of them. I don't see why it would slow down a punch. And Batman isn't wearing metal, so I don't even see the point of bringing up the claws.

So you agree that your arguements have little point, I see.

As for questioning me playing favoritism, go read Lobo (my all time favorite character and a DC character) vs. Thanos (a marvel character who I do not hold in such high esteem.)

i mentioned fighting spirit only because that was ur reason for saying GL over IW...u said IW didnt do those things because she didnt have it in her...Thus, Bats doesnt do it because he doesnt have it in him...the claws basically cut through anything...and they r not made of vibranium...the point of the vibranium in his costume is that it absorbs the kinetic energy of bullets, punches by superhumans...and it is also why he can jump from the top of a building and land without injury...it is also why superman's punches wouldnt do jack...the claws would simply cut through his body and any armor he is wearing...I dont agree about my arguments not making a point...they didnt seem to make a point to u when u were ignorant to the facts...or confused about the vibranium in the costume/claws thing...im glad i could clear it up for u.

Will power is a factor in GL vs. IW. that's why i mentioned "fighting spirit"

Batman most certainly does have it in him.

Fine so the suit protects him from kinetic energy. This is a major factor thank you for clearing it up (you vindictive bloke.)

But the fact remains Bats is a better fighter, and BP's physical advantagese are minimal. Batman would have to run away, until he found a way to counter the suit (and he would, don't question my logic on this because it's comics and that's the way it goes down.)

Had you been more civil we could of made this progress some time ago.

i wasnt being uncivil...u were confused and said my argument was pointless...hahaha...all ive done is stated facts, material, events, and all u came up with is Bats is a better fighter and he would find a way around the suit....however, I argue that the Panther is the superior in fighting and intellect and Bats' inferior fighting and intellect would not save him in this fight...only thing Bats could do is hope fan voting would be involved in the writing so guys like u could save him

And you've chosen to ignore my "time spent fighting" arguement, my "experience" arguement. And an extensive list of Bat's credentials in direct comparison to BP's.

This is one where the fans would clearly be right.

that argument is innacurate...Kazar fights more often than Bats....he has to even fight for every meal he gets...however Panther took him out rather easily even while holding back...Panther has a country to run...Bats has a company, meaing he has more time on his hands....I dont have either, does that mean I should be able to beat them both...That has nothing to do with who is a better fighter...just because Bats is out every night fighting bank robbers doesnt mean it would help to prepare him for a fight with the Panther...fans would clearly be right?...there isnt anything CLEAR about anything you've posted yet...Im going to bed

It hold plenty of ground. Ask my friends at the dojo.

Batman and BP are about equally trained. More experience makes Batman the better fighter. He's not just handling bank robbers, this makes me think you read little to no Batman. And you trained as hard as both of them and devoted your all your time to fighting, then yes, you'd be better than both of them. As is Lady Shiva, Karate Kid and Shange Chi for the same reason.

It is also quite obvious you do not engage in fights. If you did all this would make sense to you.

MERCILOUS, have you ever read a Black Panther comic? I mean really sat down and read an entire story arch to get an idea of what the character does and the feats he's capable of? I'm just curious.

I read through everybody's arguments and it seems to me a very difficult choice. I have some questions, though. Does Black Panther's mask have filters against gas? Or can Batman knock him out by throwing a gas capsule?

Also, would Batman have a file on Black Panther, since they are from different universes, or would he have no knowledge about Black Panther before they met.

It seems to me, that if they were to meet each other unprepared, Black Panther would have a slight edge, unless of course he was vulnerable to the knockout gas. It just seems to me, BP has a slight edge over Bats, slightly faster, slightly stronger, slightly more agile, just as experienced, just as committed.

If Batman had time to study his opponent, however, I might give him a slight edge. We all know he is a master tactician, and with time to prepare, he might be able to maneuver BP so as to exploit his weaknesses (of which, admittedly, there do not seem to be many).

I am slightly biased, in this case. Although I have read a lot more Batman comics, and he is one of my all-time favourites, Black Panther is from Africa, and as you can see from my avatar and signature, I've got a thing for panthers.

So, in this instance, I voted for Black Panther. I am basing my vote on the fact that they meet unexpectedly, and that Batman expects a normal guy in a costume, therefore is not prepared for BP's unique armor and claws, as well as his resilience and manoeuvrability.

I would say that when they met the second time, however, Batman would probably take it, however. The man is uncanny and I have loads of respect for his ingenuity.

Of course, if you gave Panther equal prep time as Batman, He could beat Batman, and buy out enough Wayne stock for a hostile takeover of the company. In my opinion.

i base it on both characters coming in contact with eachother and a fight starts, battles between comic characters should be something spontaneous imo , i give it to BP

gas takes its time to fill a small section and BP isn't the type to sit around when someone throws something at him

As Panther does have a few different lenses and stuff in his mask, I think he also has a basic gas filter too. I think his herbs also bolster his immunities and crap to stuff like that as well. Not sure though.

Batman's still the better martial artist. And he's more resourcful than 10 master ninjas. He'd activate the batmobile and stall panther until it showed up ran him over and blew up on him. Can his suit risist a jet fuel explosion?

Can his suit risist a jet fuel explosion?

Of course. Can't Batman's?

Even if he could the heat would fry his brain and suffocate him. Jet fuel burns in excess of 4000 degrees (if i remember correctly.)

And no although Bat's suit is resistant to small and medium caliber firearms.

And T'Challa would activate "N'yami." It's a massive battle cruiser that the Panther smuggled into the U.S. ( Hudson River ) in Black Panther #11. It's describe as being the size of two Jupiter 2 crafts ( Lost in Space the movie. ) with over 150 heavily armed Wakandan special Forces Soldiers. Over a dozen fighter craft on board ( Talon Jets ) capable of speeds surpassing the sound barrier. And who knows what else. And mind you -- T'Challa has over 300 of these craft supposedly hidden throughout the country. The Batmobile would be laughed at.

( Black Panther issue #11, page 12. ) " The thing people keep forgetting about my client is, well, he's a KING. He's not just another nut job in tights. He's a full-bird monarch from one of the MOST technologically advanced nations on the PLANET. And, somehow, we keep forgetting that. "

As do you, it's clearly the reason bat's is the better martial artist.

How can Batman clearly be the better martial artists when we've all agreed that they pretty much have had an equal amount of training? Besides they've never fought. There's no basis for your conclusion.

Sure there is. Input man input. Both has near the same training but the experience goes to Batman. It's the same reason brawlers have been able to beat martial artist.