Black Panther versus Batman.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Panther's fighting goes outside the realm of pure martial arts...He is just as efficient at hand to hand as Shang-Chi in the MU. Batman is a good fighter but has never demonstrated half the ability, athleticism, or agility of the panther. Its hard to even explain everything right now...Im surprised there is a thread about this, but I expect it will be good... 😄

Just as efficient as Shang-Chi? This severely discredits you in my eyes and I suspect it does the same for others.

And since when is batman not athletic? He slings more than Spiderman.

Running Wakanda may be as physically tasking as it is mentally. But you just agreed to my point. lIt's 50/50. This is not the case for Bruce. Looking up on his business and doing detective work is like solving crossword puzzles during his lunch break. It's 90/10 for him (considering the guy's gotta rest.) And neither is as effecient as Shange-Chi, anyone who honestly thinks that is off there rocker, he is 100 percent fight.

Nightwing may move "like" Panther...however, Panther is practically the pinnacle of mortal hand to hand combatants in the MU...can this be said for Bats in the DCU? Furthermore, like people have already mentioned, Panther was trained since birth to be a warrior and ruler of an entire Nation...by the way Wakanda is considered the most technologically advanced country on Earth behind Latveria. Much of the technology is contributed by T'Challa himself. Although it was written in 1962 and kinda lame by today's standards, BP neutralized the FF. I dont think anyone would argue in favor of Bats over the FF...well no one thinking ratianally. But it wasnt that lame, we could always dig up some Issues of Batman from 1962. I had to stick up for Bats when people said he would lose to Wolverine last year. I thought it would be close but Bats would win. Panther on the other hand is a superior fighter and brain than Bats...not in my opinion, but by definition. No one has ever beaten him in one on one battle, and he is one of the top non-enhanced brains on the planet. As in one of those posts, Panther took on Iron Man with his bare hands...nothing but a spandex costume and still had the upper hand. Could Bats take on Iron Man without any gadgets and just his own fighting skills and agility? HA! Bats has difficulty with plenty of guys in DC. BP has routinely beaten people without prep time who operate on a higher level than himself. He usually surprises people. Bats is often beat up the first time around then comes back after some pre time and gives the ass kicking.

Wynndar, someone has beaten Panther in one on one battle. Read the previous Scarlet Spider had posted. Panther beating FF and Iron Man would not be credible by most fans, but you can still use horrible writing if you want. But, you must allow horrible writing for Batman's case as well. Batman has beaten Superman with no kryptonite. Batman beat the Hulk. Batman even beat Carnage, hand to hand. Those I can confirm, but I even heard Batman managed a way to not be killed by Darksied. Panther can't do anything that. Neither should Batman under good writing, but I had to put that on the table, since you put Panther's bad writing exploits on there. Panther being the pinnacle of hand to hand in MU is an idea held by few. Most give the honor to Shang Chi. Panther is superior in fighting in brains by definition? I mean, what can I say? You just made that up. I am not making a case for Batman. I'm not saying he gets my vote. But, you just starting going too crazy.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Nightwing may move "like" Panther...however, Panther is practically the pinnacle of mortal hand to hand combatants in the MU...can this be said for Bats in the DCU?

Absolutley, and it would be more true if said of Bats, as per arguements just recently training. And without mystical herbs or a super soldier serum.

As per the rest of your arguements, if the same poor writing applied to Bats he would have done it better and with more style than BP.

About prep time, there has been a lot of time when Bats gets attacked at randon by a formidable enemy and Bats still takes him down. "Hush" is 1 out of many examples. Prep time only insures Bats victory.

...Panther wins hands down. He is not

not what?

Let me fill it in there Abbadon.

If Batman were a pair of gym shorts...

...Panter wins hands down. He is not going to loose to a pair of gym shorts! Otherwise, Batman all the way.

haha...nice one with the gym shorts...Shang Chi is a martial artist...Panther emulates the hunting pattern of a panther...he is not necessarily a martial artist. In combat he is basically equally efficient because he encorporates tech and strategy into his attacks so often. Iron man is not the only example of BP taking on an oponent with nothing but a spandex costume...Bats is still incapable of fighting like that...the only situation i recollect of someone taking out panther with relative ease is the the Dark Raider...he would easily take out Bats too considering he had killed the fantastic four countless times over.

Batman has punched Superman barehanded on several occassion. It didn't hurt Supes (except when he had a kryptonite ring on) but my point is he did it and got close to breaking his hand several times. This is realistic. I have no idea how Black Panther beat Iron Man (unless you're talking about tony stark) with out any equipment. And as I said before, If the same crappy writing incorporated Bats in BP's stead he would have certainly done it and done it better.

Again, comparing BP or even Batman to Shang-Chi is simply wrong,

Supes has demonstrated he is more durable than substances like adamantium in the MU....what is the point in mentioning batman hitting him...it would have no effect unless the writer had no intention to make sense...the link posted earlier shows BP out fighting Iron Man if you would like to see it...I assumed you had looked at the links.

That he nearly broke his hands. How do you best Iron Man, someone capable of being a heavyweight (if only for a few seconds,) with human powers if not with some sort of edge or crappy writing?

The best way to understand an unknown character is to read the actual comics and past titles he's/she's been involved in. Unfortunately you don't have the time or patience to do so. Anyway here's a FAQ's page concerning the Black Panther's abilities and more. Note: This page was fashioned by the former and greatest writer of Black Panther, Christopher Priest.

http://phonogram.us/comics/panther/faq.htm

Quote from Wynndar
As in one of those posts, Panther took on Iron Man with his bare hands...nothing but a spandex costume and still had the upper hand. Could Bats take on Iron Man without any gadgets and just his own fighting skills and agility? HA! Bats has difficulty with plenty of guys in DC.

Please...... and you consider this a victory, correct me if I am wrong but the last I checked black panther is under some heart shaped herb that gives him enhanced strength, abilities, and vision. Is this not so.
Let me tell you something if batman had enhancements on black panthers level then kicking Iron man butt, five ways from sunday would come easily for batman than it did for black panther.

And the panther seems to be mentally on stable why did I say this because a page does not pass and you did not hear him say my panther strength, or my panther this. Whether you believe it or not go to batman and start saying things like this, you have already lost because he is going to pick your words and find what he needs.

and one more thing Lady Shiva is by far better than chan chi. one of the top dc martial artist and still holding the position despite a lose to batgirl (cain).

Just on a side note. Both Wayne and T'Challa have an intellect that would cause many in their prospective Universes to become green with envy. Does anyone actually believe that Wayne's resources and entrepreneurship could out match that of T'Challa and Wakanda? Just a reminder -- Wakanda is a NATION. One of the leading technological wonders in the Marvel Universe. They even supply the Avengers with all of their gear. Something tells me that this battle wouldn't stop merely with a physical altercation.

Btw, I wonder if T'Challa would even sully his hands with Batman. He could just sic The White Wolf and the Hatut Zeraze on him. They'd be a powerful enemy to take on especially since they're cloaked, undetectable to heat and since their suits are vibranium -- they can't be heard coming.

Panther wins, next yhread

Panther beat Stark because T'Challa joined the Avengers under the intent of watching them and making sure they weren't a threat to Wakanda. He has Stark's Iron Man schematics memorized--all he had to do was disrupt his force fields, then with his anti-metal claws, which made a total mess of Iron Man, he took out his oxygen gel packs (which go into his fuel mix, thus taking away flight, weapons and life support systems). He beat Iron Man because he had the upper hand.

Panther does have enhancements, but it's nothing that makes him stronger or faster than anyone could be outside of intense training. He is one of the best athletes and combatants on the earth, and would be regardless of the herbs.

Panther does train constantly, as he lives in a much more dangerous position than Batman. Batman chooses to do what he does. Panther was born to it and needs to be ready at a moment's notice. As far as his style--he threw the entire world economy into a free fall, with one phone call, just to spite an opponent. Wayne could never do that.

Actually, Scarlet Spider, Panther would not be quite as good without the enhancements. If you check out the link given by Nathaniel Grey, it shows that Panther's herb further enhances his physical stats in addition to his intensive training. The herb also give him enhanced senses. It is also stated that the herb may make him a little faster than Captain America and Cap has peak speed. So, that kinda stuff is definitely beyond training. Nobody is going to argue that Panther wouldn't be one of the best fighters even without the herb. Its just that he wouldn't be quite as good as he is now.

The one phone call you are referring to is the battle with Ironman. And besides anyone can send the stock market in to a downward spiral. All you need to do is to start building up false entries until when the time is right then you act, on it. But with the panther I am guessing he needs an inside man or hack in to the system.

True on the fact dc is a paradise island compared to marvel. But the fact still remains that batman trains far more the panther.

Because if batman does not train in one month he is going to drop and some dude with a gun can put him down where as for the panther he would still be able to take who ever that was without any problem. (Note I never said the panther does not train) but what I did say was that batman's training is more intense and he needs to do it more often. As to compare to the panther. Let's face T'challa can afford to go months without training (Due to the herb he eats), but batman can not.

And Wayne industries is the one that supports the jla headquarter floating in orbit and in the moon. And also creating jobs countries all over the world.