Originally posted by King Kandy
Maybe it would help if I rephraised it:Well, given that energy cannot be created or destroyed (first law), that would have to be the case.
Energy cannot be created naturally, through or by natural means or process.
But, energy can be created supernaturally by God Almighty. In fact that is where all of the energy in the cosmos came from.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Energy cannot be created naturally, through or by natural means or process.But, energy can be created supernaturally by God Almighty. In fact that is where all of the energy in the cosmos came from.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In this closed system (the universe) energy is and finite (see the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics for proof).But where did energy originate? It came from God into this material realm where it is subject to conversion but not destruction.
See the first Law of Thermodynamics. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. You can't pick and choose science, like you do the bible.
Originally posted by King Kandy
It didn't originate anywhere. It's eternal, it has always existed.
That is not possible. Did you come from somewhere? Well, did you parents? And did their parents? All the way back to Adam and Eve we can see the law of cause and effect. It is the same way with everything else in this material world. All things material have a cause.
But God--who is not material--lives outside of this universe in another dimension. He introduced energy into this closed system just like He introduced the first man and woman.
That is the only viable explanation for the origin of energy.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is not possible. Did you come from somewhere? Well, did you parents? And did their parents? All the way back to Adam and Eve we can see the law of cause and effect. It is the same way with everything else in this material world. All things material have a cause.But God--who is not material--lives outside of this universe in another dimension. He introduced energy into this closed system just like He introduced the first man and woman.
That is the only viable explanation for the origin of energy.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Energy cannot be created naturally, through or by natural means or process.But, energy can be created supernaturally by God Almighty. In fact that is where all of the energy in the cosmos came from.
No it didn't.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is the only viable explanation for the origin of energy.
No it isn't
Originally posted by King Kandy
The other explanation is of course that there is no origin. It always existed. It just changed forms. Human birth has absolutely nothing to do with this, it is merely another change in energy.
Energy could not have always existed. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics refutes this.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Energy could not have always existed. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics refutes this.
the 2nd law of thermodynamics refers to close systems i beleive. so you cud be talking about any finite amount of energy INSIDE the universe, but once you start talking about the universe ITSELF, it doesnt hold, just like all your other analogies. the constituents of energy cud have always existed. and yes energy also cud have always existed if all the universe does is go through an eternal cycle of expansion and contraction.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is not possible. Did you come from somewhere? Well, did you parents? And did their parents? All the way back to Adam and Eve we can see the law of cause and effect. It is the same way with everything else in this material world. All things material have a cause.But God--who is not material--lives outside of this universe in another dimension. He introduced energy into this closed system just like He introduced the first man and woman.
That is the only viable explanation for the origin of energy.
you honestly dont listen do you?!
the examples you are giving are of ALREADY EXISTING matter and energy simply changing FORMS and STRUCTURE due to the dynamic trends in the universe! there is ample evidence for this phenomenon, so a new FORM had to come from sum previous change in form of matter and energy surrounding the constituents of the new form. HOWEVER, that can not in any WAY, SHAPE or FORM be used to say that energy/mass/space/time/forces had to come from NOWEHER. there has NEVER been a SINGLE observation where matter or energy came from NOTHING. and that is what the UNIVERSE is, so simply substituting the word CAUSE for both arguments is fallacious. as long as causes are defined as the change in ALREADY EXISTING matter and energy, then yes, all things we have observed have a cause, however, if you define cause as the creation of matter/energy out of NOTHING, than NO, NOTHING we have EVER observed has ever had a CAUSE{as you are defining it here}.
in short, stop making fallacious arguments.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the 2nd law of thermodynamics refers to close systems i beleive. so you cud be talking about any finite amount of energy INSIDE the universe, but once you start talking about the universe ITSELF, it doesnt hold, just like all your other analogies. the constituents of energy cud have always existed. and yes energy also cud have always existed if all the universe does is go through an eternal cycle of expansion and contraction.
If...you base your eternal destiny on an if?
The Oscillating universe model is also a lie. Again, see the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
^it refers to ISOLATED systems. keyword I-S-O-L-A-T-E-D !
" the entropy of an """"""ISOLATED"""""" system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium"
doesnt refer to the universe itself or things outside it
ofcourse i missed the point where you actually made a causal link with that law and disproving quantum fluctuation!
and id rather base it on an IF than on a NEVER, like you.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^it refers to ISOLATED systems. keyword I-S-O-L-A-T-E-D !" the entropy of an """"""ISOLATED"""""" system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium"
doesnt refer to the universe itself or things outside it
ofcourse i missed the point where you actually made a causal link with that law and disproving quantum fluctuation!
and id rather base it on an IF than on a NEVER, like you.
The universe is an isolated system. There isn't any more energy entering or exiting it. I know about black holes.
The only thing outside the universe is the spirit realm or supernatural world.
Quantam fluctuation has never been proven so there is nothing to disprove.
Do you follow me?
^ you still havent built the connection between the second law of thermodynamics and non existance of quantum fluctuations
quarks are evidence for quantum fluctuations as well as quantum phenomenon and particles existing and interacting at multiple places at once. among other thing. dont put up nonsense claims.
lmao, and you know this HOW?! rof . time dilation, quantum mechanics/the undertainty principle ALL point towards more dimensions existing OUTSIDE our universe.
and out universe ITSELF is not a closed system evident by the weakness of gravity compared to the other force. get your facts straight.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAnd how do you know this? We have already proven that there is anti-matter and a high mathematical probability of parallel universes so to answer your question more than likely the universe is not an isolated system.
The universe is an isolated system. There isn't any more energy entering or exiting it. I know about black holes.The only thing outside the universe is the spirit realm or supernatural world.
Quantam fluctuation has never been proven so there is nothing to disprove.
Do you follow me?
Even if you consider the universe to be a closed system this still doesn't violate the 2nd law as you can read here. Remember that matter and energy are TWO DIFFERENT things.