The Bible

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Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

The universe is an isolated system. There isn't any more energy entering or exiting it. I know about black holes.

The only thing outside the universe is the spirit realm or supernatural world.

Quantam fluctuation has never been proven so there is nothing to disprove.

Do you follow me?

There is no spirit realm or supernatural world. This is just superstition and the belief in magic.

You make claims that the impossible is real with no proof to back it up, and then claim that what is real and backed up with evidence is make believe. When you start believing in the supernatural you then don't need laws of science. We could all have green dragons hoovering over our heads making everything happen, or we could all be the dream of a butterfly.

.:OU812:. Member

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Energy could not have always existed. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics refutes this.
I do not understand why you think this I like science and it is one of my best subjects. I do not see how this enthropy violates the second law? The energy is not destroyed or lost but converted to low grade energy, the first law says that it can not be created or destroyed. Do you think that the first law is also wrong?

JesusIsAlive Restricted
Originally posted by .😮U812:.
I do not understand why you think this I like science and it is one of my best subjects. I do not see how this enthropy violates the second law? The energy is not destroyed or lost but converted to low grade energy, the first law says that it can not be created or destroyed. Do you think that the first law is also wrong?

The universe had a beginning which means that it has not always existed. The universe is energy; hence, energy in this closed system has a beginning.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The universe had a beginning which means that it has not always existed. The universe is energy; hence, energy in this closed system has a beginning.

Your logic is flawed. You have no proof for the statement that the universe had a beginning. If energy cannot be created, then the universe cannot be created.

HoldenCaulfield Restricted
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The universe had a beginning which means that it has not always existed. The universe is energy; hence, energy in this closed system has a beginning.

Given your username, wouldn't you say you're probably a bit biased?

.:OU812:. Member

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The universe had a beginning which means that it has not always existed. The universe is energy; hence, energy in this closed system has a beginning.
If you believe that the first law to be correct then energy is forever, at the time of the big bang there was no matter but only energy which can not be created or destroyed which would make it forever. I have not seen you say that the first law is also wrong.

Da Pittman "Pitt Happens"

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The universe had a beginning which means that it has not always existed. The universe is energy; hence, energy in this closed system has a beginning.
The universe is like you, stuck on a continual loop 😆

JesusIsAlive Restricted
Originally posted by HoldenCaulfield
Given your username, wouldn't you say you're probably a bit biased?

Bias is an inescapeable fact of life in all situations.

JesusIsAlive Restricted
Originally posted by .😮U812:.
If you believe that the first law to be correct then energy is forever, at the time of the big bang there was no matter but only energy which can not be created or destroyed which would make it forever. I have not seen you say that the first law is also wrong.

Energy cannot be created (by natural means) nor destroyed in this closed system (by natural means).

At the time of the big bang there was only God.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Energy cannot be created (by natural means) nor destroyed in this closed system (by natural means).

At the time of the big bang there was only God.

Natural means is all the exists. Magic does not exist.

.:OU812:. Member

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Energy cannot be created (by natural means) nor destroyed in this closed system (by natural means).

At the time of the big bang there was only God.

I do not think you understand what the big bang is, I am not trying to be mean but the universe by the laws of science say that the universe is eternal and as someone said looping. It expands and contracts. Energy can not be created or destroyed but do you believe that the first law is also wrong? At the point of the big bang there is not time and space but only energy and no matter. You also assume that this is a closed system but there is some creditable evidence to show that it is not. I also still do not understand how Hubbel's theory proves that the universe had a begining, can you explain that to me.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Originally posted by .😮U812:.
I do not think you understand what the big bang is, I am not trying to be mean but the universe by the laws of science say that the universe is eternal and as someone said looping. It expands and contracts. Energy can not be created or destroyed but do you believe that the first law is also wrong? At the point of the big bang there is not time and space but only energy and no matter. You also assume that this is a closed system but there is some creditable evidence to show that it is not. I also still do not understand how Hubbel's theory proves that the universe had a begining, can you explain that to me.

He can't explain something he does not understand.

.:OU812:. Member

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
He can't explain something he does not understand.
It sounds like he does but getting some things mixed up, I am trying to understand why he says it. I would like him to have the proper understanding, I think that science is one of the greatest gifts that God had given us to understand his creation.

Da Pittman "Pitt Happens"

Originally posted by .😮U812:.
It sounds like he does but getting some things mixed up, I am trying to understand why he says it. I would like him to have the proper understanding, I think that science is one of the greatest gifts that God had given us to understand his creation.
I would warn you from trying to get into his head, he will refuse to explain his "theories" to you and just post a bunch of links that will contradict what is just said. He doesn't have a grasp of what he is talking about and will spout of anything to "back" up his claims even if it is totally flawed.

JesusIsAlive Restricted
Originally posted by .😮U812:.
I do not think you understand what the big bang is, I am not trying to be mean but the universe by the laws of science say that the universe is eternal and as someone said looping. It expands and contracts. Energy can not be created or destroyed but do you believe that the first law is also wrong? At the point of the big bang there is not time and space but only energy and no matter. You also assume that this is a closed system but there is some creditable evidence to show that it is not. I also still do not understand how Hubbel's theory proves that the universe had a begining, can you explain that to me.

No, I believe that you are mistaken. The universe is expanding which proves that it had a starting point i.e. a beginning. The universe does not contract. Energy cannot be created naturally but it can supernaturally. I do not assume that this is a closed system. The universe is a closed system, black holes do not refute this. Look up red shift in reference to Edwin Hubble.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I believe that you are mistaken. The universe is expanding which proves that it had a starting point i.e. a beginning. The universe does not contract. Energy cannot be created naturally but it can supernaturally. I do not assume that this is a closed system. The universe is a closed system, black holes do not refute this. Look up red shift in reference to Edwin Hubble.

The expansion of the universe does not prove that the universe had a beginning. What the expansion of the universe does prove is that in the past the universe was smaller, and that is all it proves.

.:OU812:. Member

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I believe that you are mistaken. The universe is expanding which proves that it had a starting point i.e. a beginning. The universe does not contract. Energy cannot be created naturally but it can supernaturally. I do not assume that this is a closed system. The universe is a closed system, black holes do not refute this. Look up red shift in reference to Edwin Hubble.
The theory of the big bang is that it expands and contracts and at the point of collapse all matter is converted into energy then expands again. This is like a circle that there is no starting point, I understand and have read about the red shift but this does not prove that the universe has a starting point where the energy was created only that where the expansion took place. I am trying to understand why you feel that the red shift explains that the universe had a starting point that is different than the big bang theory, can you please explain that I am only trying to understand. How does the red shift explain that the universe is moving farther away at greater speed if this is a closed system?

Da Pittman "Pitt Happens"

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I believe that you are mistaken. The universe is expanding which proves that it had a starting point i.e. a beginning. The universe does not contract. Energy cannot be created naturally but it can supernaturally. I do not assume that this is a closed system. The universe is a closed system, black holes do not refute this. Look up red shift in reference to Edwin Hubble.
So I guess you are saying that matter doesn't attract matter, black holes do not attract black holes and that galaxies do not collided and merge? 😖

JesusIsAlive Restricted
Originally posted by .😮U812:.
The theory of the big bang is that it expands and contracts and at the point of collapse all matter is converted into energy then expands again. This is like a circle that there is no starting point, I understand and have read about the red shift but this does not prove that the universe has a starting point where the energy was created only that where the expansion took place. I am trying to understand why you feel that the red shift explains that the universe had a starting point that is different than the big bang theory, can you please explain that I am only trying to understand. How does the red shift explain that the universe is moving farther away at greater speed if this is a closed system?

The theory of the big bang says nothing about contraction and expansion, you are confusing the Oscillating Model with the big bang.

The universe is expanding, red shift shows this. Do you know what red shift is?

.:OU812:. Member

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The theory of the big bang says nothing about contraction and expansion, you are confusing the Oscillating Model with the big bang.

The universe is expanding, red shift shows this. Do you know what red shift is?

Yes I do know what the red shift is, all that is says is a shift of the red value of light which can determin if something is moving away or coming closer. The big ban is part of the oscillating model which is just a point in the cycle, you must take into account all the different aspects of the universe and can not disprove one thing with out taking into account the others. How does the red shift explain that the universe was created and not that it has always been? How does a closed universe expalian the the red shift shows that the universe is expanding at a faster rate? I'm just trying to understand what you are saying, it is hard if you do not tell me.