The Official Symbiote Thread

Originally posted by fever red
I can blame Kasady for his responses to the world (though, admittedly, he didn't ask to be born), but not Red, that poor thing never asked to be bonded to him. Still, I love that crazy couple, I wouldn't release Red even if it were possible!

One of the most interesting things about him is this one question: did his mother actually abuse him, leading to the dissolution of the family?

Or was that all a big lie told just for fun? And if so, why? Was his reponse justified or not? Clete enjoys teasing us with that question.

I think if the symbiote wasn't happy with him, it would leave. If symbiotes want to go, they GO. And the host can't stop them. We've seen that a couple of times with Venom. [I have some neat pix I could post, but ah well.]

Originally posted by Robo-Chocobo
f_Doomed, dont EVER POST THAT SUPERSTORIES GARBAGE IN THIS THREAD EVER AGAIN OR I WILL PERSONALLY KICK YOUR A$$ STRAIT TO THE OFF-TOPIC FORUM!!!

okay..not that thats settled..good posting ladies, gj kaikan.
*dont take it toooo personally f_doomed. i dont hate you, i we all just had had a i giagantic debate/rant on superstories before you joined this KMC.

Can you feel the love to night? some thing Some thing Some thing Stupid phil collens okay i just found it and thought u guys had'nt seen it. but you have so i guess thats the end of that

IF you have pics to post plz do post them in the OFFICAL SYMBIOTE PIC Thread

Oh yeah i just checked the OFFICAL SYMBIOTE PIC THREad AND have an annoucement to make

KOTO,Freezdoom(who isnt me i am a diffrent enitaty intirely F_DOOMED is a Diablo 2 name i came up with) Symbiotica and other person the pic thread is for Just that pics if u have some complaints agianst me and my some what phasing Stupidty Plz talk about them here or if u dont want to PLZ PM me but 😠 DO NOT POST IN THE PIC THREAD I created it so KOTO wouldnt get mad at peps for asking for pics in here...... The only condition that was laid out IS NO TALking about SYMBIOTES THATS WHAT THE Thread is for MAKE ME MAD AND FEAR MY WRATH..... ITS A SMACK in cool writing...talk in that thread and poala closes it SO SHUT THE HELL UP in The pic thread PLZ

tank

Originally posted by F_doomed
KOTO,Freezdoom(who isnt me i am a diffrent enitaty intirely F_DOOMED is a Diablo 2 name i came up with) Symbiotica and other person the pic thread is for Just that pics if u have some complaints agianst me and my some what phasing Stupidty Plz talk about them here or if u dont want to PLZ PM me but 😠 DO NOT POST IN THE PIC THREAD I created it so KOTO wouldnt get mad at peps for asking for pics in here...... The only condition that was laid out IS NO TALking about SYMBIOTES THATS WHAT THE Thread is for MAKE ME MAD AND FEAR MY WRATH..... ITS A SMACK in cool writing...talk in that thread and poala closes it SO SHUT THE HELL UP in The pic thread PLZ

.... I for one find the idea of your "wrath" somewhat less than intimidating. Its like being threatened by Fozzie Bear; or perhaps Snuggles from the fabric softener commercial.

Originally posted by Symbiotica
.... I for one find the idea of your "wrath" somewhat less than intimidating. Its like being threatened by Fozzie Bear; or perhaps Snuggles from the fabric softener commercial.

That 70's show

Red: GRRR

KITTY: dont poke the bear eric

RED:

.😖MACK:. DUMBASS!!!

no reason to get mad, F_doomed.
People perfectly understood your first post at the symbiote pic thread.
Relax.

...now i just feel forget and left out...I simpy was telling you never to bring up superstorie EVER again. or else...But seriously..who feels threatened by a cute soft, yellow colored bird?

hm...snuggles bear with carnage...hehehe..squeeeze me!!

SHUT UP YOU ALL BEFORE I BRIGN LIGHTSABER / MAGICAL/ CYBER NINJA DOOM UPON YOU

(LISTENING TO DUEL OF THE FATES)

NEMO, I do think the V sym has memories. Going back for generations, even. But I left the comics even before Ben Reilly did...heh. (his exit was a lot splashier than mine!) So I remember Kasady, as you mentioned, having a lot of control over Red. In fact, after the C sym "died", it seemed even more subject to Clete's will once it had regenned. If I recall correctly?
I have the pet theory that the V Sym didn't bequeath a lot to its spawn, including memories. It just makes sense to me that it could have chosen what information to bundle into the little blob. I kind of imagine it consciously assembling its spawn, although the process probably starts physically and unconsciously.
I mean, Red doesn't know who Spiderman is, does it? Seems like V sym had the smarts to at least look a little ahead and realize that a spawn could mean interference if it had any information about its progenitor. So I think it was trying to abandon its baby as neatly and completely as possible, beyond even the typical behavior of its species.
AND I'm with you on Kasady's past being a playtoy of his. I've said it before, and here I'll say it again: I don't need his past to justify his current behavior. However, I do believe his Mommy probably did hate him and probably was a crazy *****! Then again, I feel Clete was a beyond-difficult child. A manipulator, ceaselessly seeking control and power over others, even as a kid. He would have been a baddy no matter what. The story rings true because Clete doesn't come off as an angel in it, if I recall correctly- just the littlest and sharpest-toothed viper in a nest of them. My fuzzy memory tells me that when I read that story ages ago, I responded positively only to the father, and then only slightly...
I don't know- PLEASE, correct me if I'm wrong.

okie dokie no more yelling....for now.... EVIL LAUGH

Yeah.....
thats it

*double ended lightsaber*

hmm darthmaul with carnage my god the most powerfull entity in the universe

Originally posted by F_doomed [B] [SNIP! silly post]

Oh, Fozzie.... you're cute when you get mad, you know that?

[adds to ignore list] That's about enough of you and your silly claptrap; your ramblings clutter my screen.

Fever red: "Then again, I feel Clete was a beyond-difficult child. A manipulator, ceaselessly seeking control and power over others, even as a kid. He would have been a baddy no matter what. The story rings true because Clete doesn't come off as an angel in it, if I recall correctly- just the littlest and sharpest-toothed viper in a nest of them. My fuzzy memory tells me that when I read that story ages ago, I responded positively only to the father, and then only slightly...
I don't know- PLEASE, correct me if I'm wrong."

Again, it depends on who's doing the writing. As I recall, there are two possible scenarios: Clete was an abused child, a totally innocent victim.
Then we have the scenario where the abuse begins because his mother discovered that Cletus had killed her pet dog in the basement, using a power-drill. I cannot remember for the life of me what issue I read that in.

IMO there is a strong possibility [considering the character] that scenario 2 is probably what actually happened. He was "born bad," a natural born killer.

💃

Hey- I HATE the idea of "born bad." Born different, born difficult, born with a genotype that allowed for an adaptative phenotype that shows low emotional affect- OK? Born with a tendancy towards anti-social behavior. OK? Doesn't mean he couldn't have grown up to be CEO of a major corp, or a doctor, or a lawyer, you know, if his Mom had only decided to make lemonade when God gave her that precious little lemon, Clete.
I mean, they don't all become mass-murderers, even if they mostly become, at least privately, sick abusive F***S.

Sorry- didn't mean to bite your head off- just- well- I don't like to hear people say a child is bad. You know, beyond any remediation, etc. I know, we're discussing a fictional charactor, and I practically said the same thing myself, that he would have "been a baddy no matter what," but I didn't mean that justifies not trying to maximize the kid's social integration. That is owed to every kid. So "born bad" is just, it, you know, those words...? Sorry, I know that MY REACTION WAS WAY OUT OF LINE.

no one nope not in the slightest fever i (in oen of my occasional well of despairs) fought everyhtign was hopeless buty after a little discovery otday i am happy as can be and translated into symbyote points that is a good thing

Fox, I don't know quite what you said, LOL, but I know it was something nice- you sound like you're having a good day, good for you.
I need to skin myself out of this porcupine suit I grew sometime last night in my sleep... and then I can have a good day, too!

Originally posted by fever red
Hey- I HATE the idea of "born bad." Born different, born difficult, born with a genotype that allowed for an adaptative phenotype that shows low emotional affect- OK? Born with a tendancy towards anti-social behavior. OK? Doesn't mean he couldn't have grown up to be CEO of a major corp, or a doctor, or a lawyer, you know, if his Mom had only decided to make lemonade when God gave her that precious little lemon, Clete.
I mean, they don't all become mass-murderers, even if they mostly become, at least privately, sick abusive F***S.

The concept of a child "born bad" is essential to the concept of Evil.
Are certain people evil, or are they just... dysfunctional? IMO the "dysfunctional" label is a total cop-out defanging the very concept of good vs. evil. Society nowadays would have you believe that there is no more Evil with a capital "E".... just people having a bad day. No one's at fault, they're just.... sorta...uh, sick. Murderers, alcoholics, mad bombers... they're *really* nice people deep down, but Mom just didn't raise 'em right. Right?

Bah! Was Judas Iscariot a guy who needed some quick cash, or was he damned from birth? What about Hitler? Stalin? The list goes on. Yes, circumstances molded these people. But why do the same circumstances not have the same effect on all who experience them?

Can it be that some people are just more naturally inclined to evil acts? I'll leave that for wiser minds than mine to unravel, but suffice it to say, I believe there's a strong possibility some people have that little extra...something... that makes it easier for them to act without conscience.

That's not Politically Correct these days, but observation bears it out.

Not every child born difficult, or who has to struggle to overcome adversity becomes a monster. But every now and then it happens.

If a child "manipulates" his own parents into destroying each other as Cletus did.... "Born with a tendancy towards anti-social behavior. OK?"
Is not anti-social behavior evil? If its not.... then what is?

Not to me. Anti-social is more a label for criminality than for emotional dysfunction or deviation. And lack of affect (lack of social emotion, like sympathy or shame)- it's part of our system, biologically it's a niche that our nature is plastic enough to allow some small percentage of us to fill and exploit. Clete's a "monster", a predator of his own species, but the right environment is needed for any trait to be fully expressed.
I just don't like "born bad, " that's all, I feel it's too extreme.
Maybe it happens, but I can't imagine why any organism as sophisticated, as adaptive, as a human being would be born with an absolutely rigid set of behaviors? Kind of defeats the purpose of that big genetic load!
Hey, I really suspect somebody f*cked up- not you or me personally, so we've got no responsibility beyond a provision for our own safety, but to say they were "born bad" is to say that every parent is equipped to maximize and minimize the desired/undesired traits their offspring manifests- not to mention willing.
I suppose I sort of believe that Clete didn't have to have so much negative impact on the world, if he was socialized better- so there was that possibility, a response SHORT of drowning him at birth! Overall, I'm sure he would have been a "baddie-" but I don't think he would have been a serial killer. And I don't think he necessarily would have been a criminal- a lot of selfish, cold-hearted people have both a work ethic and social ambitions.
SO- the inverse of your question:
Are they "evil" when they are not anti-social?
I used to think "evil" was in one's nature, not one's behavior, but I haven't ever seen someone's "nature," not even my own. I'm starting to think it's shapes in the clouds. I've gone back and forth and now I just accept that it's there/not there, its uncertainty doesn't bother me, I am and I am not becuase I think one thing as readily as another.

There's a Philosphy forum for this. Evil even has it's own thread! http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f75/t300156.html

Heh- I know that- I even thought about mentioning it.
We started out so INNOCENTLY, talking about a specific "tool" for exploring evil, a certain very fun, fine, fictional charactor. And the fans most familiar with this fellow loiter about in this forum.
You're right that Nemo's and my last posts have been more about the concept of evil in general. I got a bit carried away...
😈 😈
Anyway, Nemo, rebuttal? You get the final post, and then we go back to behaving responsibly? Or, PM me? Or whatever.