Sorry to just jump into this philosophical conversation. But 'evil' is just a way for society to not have to deal with the exploration of the Human psyche. Genius and insanity are not seperated by a line of any width. They are one and the same. The reason for this is, all geniuses have to be crazy to uncover truths and facts to create what we no have, and what will be.
Hitler was a military tactical genius, though society labled hm as a monster because he was doing what he thought was a good thing, riding the planet of 'trash.' Hitler believed that since no other contry was willing to accept the Jewish refugees, that they were trash, so he thought get ride of them. For that, society labels him a monster. I mean no disrespect to the Jewish people that were, are and will be.
Stalin was a great leader, that turned a poor, nonindustrial nation into one of the worlds industrial superpowers. However, he killed millions of people that did not support him, only to make examples of what progress and expansion are. I am not supporting his killing of millions of people.
Clinton was an exellent President, the only thing was the press needed to destroy him so society followed suite. People will beleive anything you tell them. So they dig and dig until they find something to destroy somebody's life. Happens all the time. In Clinton's case it was adultry. Who cares that he had sex with someone other than his wife, it's none of our business, he was a good President.
Evil is only what society makes it. So as long as morals and laws are part of each other evil will exisit. Remove their interaction and reliance on each other, you remove evil.
Anti-social is not anywhere near evil, it is just not being socially active, or unpleaseant (according to society). It is partly a symptom of Agoraphobia, the abnormal fear of open or public places.
That is my shortest explination of what I have acquired throughout my life of good and evil, in my most neutral of opinions. Just leave it at that and you'll not have the ten(10) pages of my philosophical agruement from my Psychology Final of Senior Year.
Do we know if Venom #18 will be shipped or not?
Originally posted by fever red
Not to me. Anti-social is more a label for criminality than for emotional dysfunction or deviation. [...]
Maybe it happens, but I can't imagine why any organism as sophisticated, as adaptive, as a human being would be born with an absolutely rigid set of behaviors? Kind of defeats the purpose of that big genetic load!
I suppose I sort of believe that Clete didn't have to have so much negative impact on the world, if he was socialized better- so there was that possibility, a response SHORT of drowning him at birth! Overall, I'm sure he would have been a "baddie-" but I don't think he would have been a serial killer. And I don't think he necessarily would have been a criminal- a lot of selfish, cold-hearted people have both a work ethic and social ambitions.
SO- the inverse of your question:
Are they "evil" when they are not anti-social?
I already typed this once, but it said "page expired" and wiped my post. So here I go again...
First let me remark that I am not in the least annoyed with your comments, and I don't think we're "misbehaving." People have differences of opinion, and that's cool with me as long as personal insults do not start flying. Which hasn't happened here, so I'm cool with it. Differences make for interesting discussion.
Second, when I say "antisocial behavior" I mean it in a broader sense than we usually mean; I'm not talking about someone declining to socialize with their peer-group, or spraypainting some graffiti in the nearest subway for a lark. I mean REAL antisocial behavior such as serial and mass-murder, genocide [same thing], people planting mail-bombs in other people's mailboxes in a pattern the shape of a smiley-face and stuff like that.
Evil acts are not inborn; that's not at all what I meant. Killers are not born with an unalterable set of rules they must obey - like everybody, they deal with the cards they've been dealt, tempered by their own life choices. Some are inborn, like inheriting Dad's really bad temper... and some are environmental. A child raised in an atmosphere of extreme violence and hatred is most generally not going to grow up to be Mother Teresa. It happens, but that's RARE.
What would be most interesting to know is, is there some sort of unknown "X" factor that is responsible for some people not being able to overcome environment and genetics? Science is trying VERY hard to find it; see the double-Y-chromosome controversy. I feel very sorry for the people who carry the defect if they ever do find it, because I think they'll be hustled into permanent detention very quickly, stripped of their rights and used as guinea-pigs for the rest of their lives. It's in the Public Interest, you see.
Kasady *chose* to do what he did - and he enjoys what he does, very much so. Why did he choose violence? Why does any criminal enjoy acts the rest of us find repugnant? Very difficult questions with no one clear-cut answer. He certainly COULD have been socialized better... but he wasn't.
As far as people being evil without being antisocial, certainly! Happens all the time! Many, many famous criminals throughout history have been charismatic, likeable people. Deviant psychology usually develops slowly, and deviants want to confuse you with "nice" behavior, so you won't suspect them. They practice this for years. Criminals usually arn't skulking around like the Phantom of the Opera.... they're smiling and shaking your hand. You LIKE them. Again, Kasady is a great example. He can be an extremely charming guy. He has a great sense of humor. That's what first drew me to him - he's often laugh-out-loud funny.
Then he rips you in six pieces and drops you off a skyscraper.
Gotta love the guy.
Originally posted by F_doomed
First off topic BoyzSecond dose Chapters carrey venom Sepration anxity i really want.... i dont think it has but i might of
the philoshy fourm is f11 just to let u know u turned right were u should of turn left
... I should also add that in addition to all those other factors, we don't know what effect, if any, the symbiote has on one's mental processes.
Does it automatically make you meaner, or does the power you suddenly have just "go to your head"? Can you use that power any way you want?
And are some of them more hostile than others? Are there some that are "nice" [as if!]? So many unanswered questions... Marvel's not real good with the fine details... I've noticed that.
Actually, Nemo, I think Marvel is INTENTIONALLY vagueing the issue of how Kasady became evil. 2 Reasons why: they don't want to be "irresponsible" and depict some children as born evil (thus abuse no biggie, hey?), and they don't want to alienate people on either side of the issue. They've found a cute, adorable, absolutely delish way to do that: let Kasady speak for the record. Yeah, that'll clear things right up! I love it. And I think other writers enjoy working this angle themselves; its a way to shake people up by basically saying: you'll never know, no-one knows these things. Also, it's TRUE and therefore scary.
I'm sure there are many genes that code for physiological traits of low affect (no social emotion). It's already pretty clear that psychiatric disorders such as depression and shizophrenia produce transient mental states of lowered affects. I know some children are more resilient than others; there was a recent study, and males bounced back less from abuse.
And again, it's my feeling that Clete would have hurt a lot of people even if he hadn't been abused, but he wouldn't have been likely to kill.
To have produced a decent person you'd have needed a lot of early institutional care, IMO, following that doggy incident...
Anyway, next thing, Clete will tell us that the doggy had just killed his kitty, bit him, and piddled on his Fantastic Four comics...
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Evil even has it's own thread!
😂
Cute. I don't want to re-open this can of worms, but basically, I pretty much echo the sentiments of both Red and Scibott. I think the term "born bad" is just a generic tag applied to young children after a behavioral anomaly is noted by someone other than the parent(s). It's just easier to label a child as incorrigible than to administer discipline effectively by the time the undesired behavior manifests itself. It would take alot of deprogramming, reprogramming and positive reinforcement combined with stern and steady discipline to be able to even have a shot at turning a kid aroung by the time they reach the age of 7 or 8--when our core values are fairly deep-rooted.
And, F_doomed, if we begin talking about something with a point--THAT BECOMES the topic until someone changes it. (And I would probably hold off on telling the established members of the forum to get on topic until you've been here for at least a couple of months.)
Besides, it's the closest thing we've had to an intelligent debatable discussion in weeks, and a breath of fresh air to me...
Originally posted by badsymbiote
😂Cute. I don't want to re-open this can of worms, but basically, I pretty much echo the sentiments of both Red and Scibott. I think the term "born bad" is just a generic tag applied to young children after a behavioral anomaly is noted by someone other than the parent(s). It's just easier to label a child as incorrigible than to administer discipline effectively by the time the undesired behavior manifests itself. It would take alot of deprogramming, reprogramming and positive reinforcement combined with stern and steady discipline to be able to even have a shot at turning a kid aroung by the time they reach the age of 7 or 8--when our core values are fairly deep-rooted.
And, F_doomed, if we begin talking about something with a point--THAT BECOMES the topic until someone changes it. (And I would probably hold off on telling the established members of the forum to get on topic until you've been here for at least a couple of months.)
Besides, it's the closest thing we've had to an intelligent debatable discussion in weeks, and a breath of fresh air to me...
Okie Dokie
Grey fox I care about ur Star WARS thing I just didnt want to talk about it 😉
And one more Thing
I F_DOOMED have nothing in commen with FREEZEDOOM other then regional things so STOP Suggesting it
(hmm i can work with that)
fever red : you jedi do not know the powers of symbyote and the darkside
grey fox : ill never go to the symbyote and darkside
fever red :you are very hypocritical your master badsymbyote seems to be in control
robochocobo :yes but she unliek you can controll it she is one of them jedi knights
fever red :ahh i sense muhc power in you jedi
robochocobo : do not listen padawan she is a master of tricks
fox :i know master
fever red suddenly carnaegs out becomign a female version of canrage
fever red :You think you know... What you are, what's to come. You haven't even begun.
fever held out her hand as a small black and red ball appered
fever red :meet my son toxin i know one of you will acept him
robo and fox :no way !
if you will not join me then i will have ot destroy you (pulls out ligthsaber which ignites at both ends
STAR WARS THE SYMBIOTE MENACE