Here's a link. Might possibly work.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/cletus_kasady/
Wait, where's the game? And this one says "squish," not "squash?" Was I thinking of another site? Maybe I should keep track of these sites, like anyone else would, but no, I rely on my memory... People, don't drink and surf. Neither the net nor the ocean. Notion?
Originally posted by F_doomed
yeah i got a question the symbiote already has a healing factor...... but it dosent have claws it abosrbs the powers of the person it bonds with so is it safe to say that it now has an increased healing factor and has claws?
The Symbiote's only ability is their healing factor (or regeneration) and shape shifting. They don't absorb any powers or anything, instead they mimic things. Take Venom for example, he didn't get his powers by absorbing Spider-man's, he just copied them. When bonded with a host, the Sym simply regenerates the host's cells the same way it would its own, giving the host a healing factor as well.
The only things a Sym actually absorbs are the host's bodily nutrients and minerals as well as their adrenaline (I'm refering to What If ...? Vol. 2 #04. I'd like to think the SSM Vol. 2 "The Hunger" story never happened for A.) I just plain don't like that story because it changes the characters way too much. B.) There is already a Venom Limited Series titled "The Hunger", in which the V-man has to go hunting for phenethylamine.).
OK, Kiekan, you know that web-site with the game where you can drop buildings on Spider-man? I can't find it, I'm running all kinds of whack key-words. Somebody help! I need to do stupid pintless things NOW!
Wait- pintless? Freudian slip. Maybe I should go back to the bar though, clearly my sym is trying to tell me something. Must be phen-whatsit in beer?
So is it Brock, or the Symbiote that's the drug addict? My reasoning for that statement refer to this site http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Phenethylamines
Science and English were difficult for me to choose as my major. This site was used in a lecture on Friday, did my own research though 😉.
Well, Scibott, I use symbiosis as an analogy for two different things: relationships and addiction. Obviously, there's an overlap/interaction there. Symbiosis is emotional and chemical dependancy, as I conceptualize it, by BOTH involved parties.
And I'm way ahead of you; I fan-fic Kasady as a former intermittent user/borderline addict whose head is completely re-wired now thanks to Red's "help." He doesn't need drugs anymore, now that Red (enabler!) pushes the brain-buttons so much more conveniently. Such a slick way to kill yourself without having to own up to it! I can blame Kasady for his responses to the world (though, admittedly, he didn't ask to be born), but not Red, that poor thing never asked to be bonded to him. Still, I love that crazy couple, I wouldn't release Red even if it were possible!
Fever, 'Red' bonds with Kasady by choice. I think they share a simillar relationship to Brock and his Sym, but don't do it so obviously. There are some scenes (which I'll post up when I get a chance) before the first full appearence of Carnage, in which Kasady is conversing with Red (yeah, the guards watching his cell think he is crazy) about escaping and their plans afterward (basically everything that happens in his 3-part first full appearence). I think of it as more Kasady has found a partner to help our with what ever plans he is cooking up, one that he knows won't betray him or anything.
One major thing that shows that the Sym enjoys/prefers being bonded to Kasady, is the fact that it comes back to him on multiple occasions. One major example of this, is during the whole "Cosmic Carnage" event. At the end of it all, the Sym is brought back to the hospital that Cletus is at (it's descovered that he has Cancer, and that the Sym was keeping him alive), and willingly leaves the Surfer (who is by far more powerful that Kasady) and returns to Cletus.
Something else, is when the Sym bonds with Ben Reilly for a short time, it tries to convert him into a new Kasady. It trys to warp his mind and thoughts into matching that of Cletus'. That right there, shows that it agrees and wants to follow along with Cletus' actions, whether its a tool or not.
Thing is, I interpret their relationship quite differently, based on 1 thing: I believe that, unlike the V sym, the C sym was an infant with no past, no experiences, no identity, until it bonded with Clete. It's only source for life experience and life skills and life philosophy was... Kasady. (plus, possibly some factual material from its progenitor) Imagine if your "nursery" was the inside of Clete's head? So, that's what I refer to when I say it had no choice. So it matured in hours rather than eighteen years, no difference, not to me. I think it's not insane itself; but totally committed to Kasady's values. Which makes sense, when you consider that even the older and more morally sophisticated V sym shows us that syms are predatory at heart.
Anyway, all the points you bring up, I totally agree with them- that's why I consider both sym and human host "addicts" in both a relationship and chemical dependancy sense. That's why Red can't be "released" in my fiction; the C sym is commited to its world-view. One's whole world is a hard thing to let go of... But, I still say, Red got a raw deal in its life partner. V sym should really be ashamed. Hogwash about the time-immemorial ways of your species; you're on Earth now, you might have noticed that a friendly berth is hard to find here, you suffered here too because your original host abhorred you- so shame, shame on you.
There. I've always wanted to say that. Hope the V Sym was listening! What's it say to that, Bad S? There's nothing to say- you know you were a bad, bad symbiote that day- why your new name says it all! How Fruedian. 😛
Umm yea U know that link i postedw
CHeck out this one
MAry jane wat if she got the Venom and
Any other ones
http://www.superstories.net/story/Character/
KOTO I didnt know Wat Hot linking ment I AM SO SORRY
Well, there are two things you gotta think about, Fever. One is that though the C Sym has no memories at birth/creation, it did know how to live and gained all the memories of the V Sym (or at least any Sym-only ones, not sure about memories relating to it's hosts). Thus it knew how to live as a Sym and what was considered normal and what not in its own race.
I Agree that the Sym learned alot of what it does today from Kasady, but I think that was by choice and it enjoys living that way. Its apparent it knows other ways to live, it just chooses not to follow them.
As for the V Sym not caring or watching out for the little guy, why should it? As the Sym explains to Brock, in their culture they don't care about their offspring in the least, mearly have a spawn to carry on their existance.
Well, kiekan, it comes down to personal interpretations (doesn't it always?)
I say: isn't V sym supposed to have gained a little insight into values such as "protecting the innocent?" I'm just saying, it's not at all implausable that it behaved in that way, but it could have done a lot better if it had applied what it had learned of civic responsibility (hee- from Brock, dang, WHAT am I saying?! Heh heh.) to its own race. Look, I'm not saying I have a strong argument- just a strong prejudice!
And the most "recent" values of symbiote society were very similar to Kasady's view on life: domination of the vulnerable by the strong. But I really don't think the V sym gave much beyond survival-related info to its young in this case. I think it would have prefered to break with the past itself, so it made that choice for its offspring...
As for Red, learning what it did from Kasady wasn't by choice. I feel that such learning is formative and I don't see any way, or means, or instinct on the part of the spawn to reject the information it accessed in Kasady. It needed information about its world as any infant does, and it found it. It built its life on it.
Incubating "on earth," which would be inside Clete, caused the spawn to have permanent and profound physiological adaptations. Why wouldn't this extend into an affect on whatever structural component of a sym processes information, i. e., "thinks?"
Those are my way-over-involved thoughts! 😑 , huh?
f_Doomed, dont EVER POST THAT SUPERSTORIES GARBAGE IN THIS THREAD EVER AGAIN OR I WILL PERSONALLY KICK YOUR A$$ STRAIT TO THE OFF-TOPIC FORUM!!!
okay..not that thats settled..good posting ladies, gj kaikan.
*dont take it toooo personally f_doomed. i dont hate you, i we all just had had a i giagantic debate/rant on superstories before you joined this KMC.
Originally posted by kiekan
Well, there are two things you gotta think about, Fever. One is that though the C Sym has no memories at birth/creation, it did know how to live and gained all the memories of the V Sym (or at least any Sym-only ones, not sure about memories relating to it's hosts). Thus it knew how to live as a Sym and what was considered normal and what not in its own race.I Agree that the Sym learned alot of what it does today from Kasady, but I think that was by choice and it enjoys living that way. Its apparent it knows other ways to live, it just chooses not to follow them.
How do we know the symbiote has no memories? I'd say its more like exactly the opposite. This type of thing shifts according to who's doing the writing, which is annoying.
If Venom's symbiote had no memories, life would certainly be easier for Spidey. The fact that it is at least semi-sentient is the cause of all the trouble.... is Venom's symbiote sentient, with memories - yet Kasady's isn't? It has no idea who its parent is...? and with that said, I am uncertain how well I like the symbiote contributing 50% or more input to what Kasady does these days, as we see in V. vs C......
One of the lynchpins of the whole matter [at least, IMO] was that in the past, Kasady was able to tell his symbiote what to do. "I'm the human half of this team, y'know! What I say, goes!" The symbiote did not mold Kasady's personality, HE MOLDED IT.
Who knows what it actually knows? Like I said, each writer shifts this. But the host of the symbiote should "drive" the relationship. The host should not be its pawn, or a puppet. They're going down this road right now with Venom. Ugh.