How do Yoda and Obi-Wan KNOW Vader is Anakin?

Started by yerssot11 pages

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well, Anakin started to fall the moment he left his mother on Tatooine.

nope, GL says a few times on the dvd that the movie is besides some stuff also about showing how sweet and innocent Anakin is
so he did not fall the moment he left his mother

he said he STARTED falling

"i feel cold"

"i sense much fear in you"

by taking anakin away from his mother, he gained a new fear, which would set him off on his path toward the dark side

the falling started after TPM

the fear in him is only the path that leads him to the dark side, Yoda didn't say he already walked it

fear leads to anger ... he killed the tuskens in anger
anger leads to hate ... he hates them as he tells Padme
hate leads to suffering ... he suffers his fate and let others suffer

where is it in TPM that he shows anger?

actually I think that would be the cut scene where he fights with Greedo

as an anger reference

"fear is the path to the dark side"
"i sense much fear in you"

fear LEADS TO anger.
anakin was full of fear, thats that.

he started on the path, its not like he went screaming down the path at full speed. so by the end of ep1, there is no anger...but plenty of fear.

Originally posted by yerssot
nope, GL says a few times on the dvd that the movie is besides some stuff also about showing how sweet and innocent Anakin is
so he did not fall the moment he left his mother

I'm not refuting what George says....I'm simply stating a fact. Anakin Skywalker began to fear for the first time when he left his mother on Tatooine. I didn't say that he became evil at that point. I said he "began" his fall at that moment. Even Yoda picked up on it when they were questioning him in TPM.

EDIT: Didn't see that PVS had already answered for me...cheers.

Originally posted by yerssot
where is it in TPM that he shows anger?

When Mace says that he will not be trained. Anakin looks at him with a most evil look...much resentment.

But besides anger, we are looking for fear. What does this kid not have to fear? He's just left his mother and his only supporter in everything has just been offed by a Sith lord...everyone else thinks he's bad news.

And they're right in the long run.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
When Mace says that he will not be trained. Anakin looks at him with a most evil look...much resentment.

well, that look is subject to anyone's interpretation.
i dont think anakin knows real anger until his mother dies.

Episode 1: fear
Episode 2: anger/hate
Episode 3:the dark side

good call darth

although it was all in ep2, when anakin's mother dies.

fear>anger>hate>suffering

"...pain...young skywalker is in great pain..."

Well, he's a little afraid in Ep. 1. A kid from Tatooine in the big city? How could he not be?
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JP... they cut it out cause it would let people to believe Anakin is already full of hate and agression

CF; you see it as anger, but I see it as disappointment. Disappointed that someone he never saw before judges he is unfit to be a jedi while the one jedi he trusts says he can be.

if you say you begin your fall, it means you're already on the path down there... Anakin was not. He did had fear but that doesn't mean he's already going dark. It's weater you go from fear to anger. And in TPM he didn't got to anger, he got that in TPM.
If you compare it to traveling: it's not cause you're in the airport of New York that you'll automaticly take a plane to London.

yerssot babe I wasnt agreeing with him I was pointing out a display of Anakins anger

then I misunderstood you, my apolegies

but I do wanna stress that they cut the scene out because it showed him in a bad way, not the innocent kid he should be

I know, I was just throwing my half cent into the discussion

ah, don't spend money on this 😉

Anakin's fear was that he could not control his emotions
his desire was fuelled by fear of not attaining his ambitions.

hence the anger ..............hate.............suffering.

thats my shiney nickel i toss in the pot.

another thing too is what they spoke about him. Just about the only one that had anything good to say about him was Qui-Gon...poor kid...thanks for the support guys....if everyone says I'm bad I must be.....may as well start down that path now....

yep ! thats why i pledged earlier in this thread for comprehension and understanding .

but Ush tells me thank God i dont run the galaxy..............tsk tsk

btw cavola I must say that av gives a whole new dimension to the emperor 😆